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Ty, is good too see we're in sync and other people see the issues as well. Hopefully the staff will listen and one day things will be easier for newcomers.

What I really love to see for us veterans and newcomers as well is an indicator, a number or something that tell us that a player is being trained and growing towards the next skill pop-up. Seeing our players growing towards the next pop up each week gives us a sense of progress that can be quite addicting and satisfying. Currently as it is, seeing our players popping up each 2-3 weeks is a bit saddening and increases the perception of slowness of the game.

I think that might have intentionally or unintentionally the purpose of that training history tool that was introduced during the last offseason.

I don't think they will ever give away sublevels, but what they could do is represent training which has not resulted in a pop in the bar chart which is already in the player page. In this chart the new pops are highlighted as new 'bricks' on top of the skill set as of the beginning of the season (in red the more recent and in purple the oldest), while skill drops are faded blue bricks. Maybe they could add a partial green brick for the main skills which have been trained, which fills up the closer you get to a pop. The green partial bricks should representing a value close to that of the sublevel (with some margin of error).

They would just need to rework that chart to make a bit larger and to prevent showing sublevels for untrained skills and for skill drops (assuming training affects skill drops). Since it's a chart and not a number it should be acceptable.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/17/2015 8:20:54 AM

you got give credit where its due . clap clap clap to bb marin and his minions :D

You do realize that without BB-Marin that this game would cease to function, right? If he ever decides that he wants a new job BuzzerBeater will be in huge trouble. As for Perpete and the other "minions", those guys (and especially Perpete) have dedicated countless hours and effort into making this game as safe, fair and enjoyable as possible.

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Currently as it is, seeing our players popping up each 2-3 weeks is a bit saddening and increases the perception of slowness of the game.

Currently as it is, seeing our players popping up each 2-3 weeks would be a miracle, dancing in the streets.

You're correct, but:
- I'm saying the chart doesn't have to be exact and I'd like to see someone gauging the exact sublevel from a chart
- I'm not suggesting that you show a green brick after a pop, therefore it would never show exact sublevels anyway, but it would be more like a guideline

As an example let's say your guy is really at 6.7 in a skill, but you only see 6='average'. You train something which from the USA offsite data gathering trains at 0.6 speed (just the main skill). You will definitely see a pop and you get your red brick, nothing changes compared to now. Then you train again next week still at 0.6 speed, but there is no pop. Now, instead of nothing, you get a green brick of roughly 0.6 (more or less, it does not have to be precise).

At this stage he person who knows nothing about training speed looks at the chart and can understand that he needs another week of training to get a pop because the green bar will look roughly at 50%-60% of the level 8 brick. The expert manager who knows his stuff doesn't need green bars and he knows that the guy can be anywhere between 7.6-7.99 if it's the first time he trains that skill. However if the expert manager has trained the skill before and has the knowledge that the original level was 6.6-6.99, he will know that the current level, after 2 training sessions, is 7.8-7.99, while the green bar will still show 50%-60% of the next level.

I don't know if my explanation is clear. This graphic tool is not intended to show the exact sublevels but to give an idea of the maximum number of weeks you need to train that skill in order to get the next pop. It would obviously only visible to the manager and reset along with the training history when a player changes hands.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/17/2015 3:30:21 PM

Sublevels are visible on basketsim.com, and it feels much more robotic than here. I like the current system, where you can estimate pops, but can still get surprised with an early pop(or frustrated with a late one lol). Cross training also gives more mystery to exact player skills.

I like your suggestions.

Since the devs don't like to show sublevels and stuff, maybe we can just simplify it, like seeing a green dot when a skill received a substantial increase in its sublevel, i.e. when training passing we see the green dot in passing but not in handling, or when training pressure we see the increase in OD but not the minuscule increase in ID. That way there's still a sense of mistery, a sense of progress and the reassurance that calculations are being made.

I rather have a green-yellow-red dot system given the amount of increase , that way we can see when is futile to keep training a player for weeks without expecting results. This, however, to the devs can be seen as far fetched. Still, with the single green dot system if we don't see it we can start assuming to stop training that skill or player.

Last edited by Koga Shuko at 8/17/2015 9:14:02 PM