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Gratz to your Win against the former B3 Champ sir... Ive been following the thread on Shot Blocking's importance... and I am training Rookie to be future Bigs... and I currently am thinking to punt the Shot blocking skill... If ever you don't mind I would like to ask if you would only permit me sir to see Mikhaylov and Kezer skill set distribution on Def, Block, Reb? tyvm

English is not my native language.

My first trainee was an elite shotblocker, more or less like this: 8/8/11 11/12/13 12/18/18/18. There are some issues with building a team based on SB:
- if you build that way to kill teams defensively, then you also need to destroy them on the boards. If you build on elite defense, you won't have great shooting for salary reasons, so you better believe you need to catch most of the misses (the ones due to your elite defense and the ones due to your poor shooting). Also you need RB to get the ball aftet a block, because let's not forget a block on ots own does not change a possession. RB can be expensive for roles other than PF/C
- unfortunately RB has a great sinergy with IS because putbacks are the second best shot in the game after dunks. If you lack IS but have great defense and RB your players will tend to pass those kind of shots and that's not what you want
- at the top level and with high effort/enth/GS it's hard to stop teams from scoring, 20 IS will still score pretty efficiently.against an elite shotblocker, provided he can also pass the ball and avoid some bad shots
- finally, you need to find players that do not foul for SB to work. If you have an amazing scorer that gives up a lot of FTs that may still work, but an elite defender giving up FTs will kill you. It's anecdotal, but more SB may lead to more fouling: while more ID will typically force worse shots (farther from the basket, more difficult type of shots), more SB will attempt to stop the shot after distance/type of shot etc. Is determined

Hi,

It's anecdotal, but more SB may lead to more fouling: while more ID will typically force worse shots (farther from the basket, more difficult type of shots), more SB will attempt to stop the shot after distance/type of shot etc. Is determined

Is this proven? Is there a tangible data to state this?
I`m asking because I see a huge and still growing tendency nowadays to get more SB also more and more team and trying to make the set up for the 3-2 zone.
So it would be very useful and strong information to really deep dive to understand this potential foul problem.
Sz.

I'm too lazy to look for it, but that's what I inferred from the explanation BBs provided when they were trying to convince us SB was an important underused skill; it is to contest more shots even if it doesn't show up as blocks. I've seen it in my players as well that when I move from man-to-man to 3-2 zone, my shot blockers are far more prone to fouling because they are contesting more shots.

Okay, fair enough.
Cheers,
Sz.

Yes and no.
If your player is foul prone, he will start fouling more. And at some point (SB equal IS) there will be more fouls. As soon as your SB gets higher, the fouls will go down again.
Lemonshine and I had the first real SB defense monsters in BB. I habe still a lot of data from that time. If you are interessted, I can look it up.

Would be awesome if you could send me somehow.

Also when you say SB = IS, you mean the offensive player IS against my defensive player SB right?
Sz.

My guy always fouled significantly, but I wouldn't say it was at the end of the spectrum like some guys who get several flagrants in a season or regularly foul out. Increasing the skills will make it a little better, however my guy also played against D1 competition the majority of his career and, against better competition and better offensive teams, the problems will resurface. Even against the same competition, it's not like the player will go from 3 Fouls/36 to 1. In my player's case however, he was the only one with high SB in the team and guarding the best big on the opponent's team, so my experience might be a little different compared to Nachtmahr's, Manon's, CaptainTeemo's and others who had teams built with SB in both big men slots.

I will say 2 things though:

1) ST might be the single best way to reduce fouls. Not just for high SB players, but in general. The problem with foul prone players are not (or not just) the shooting fouls, but the offensive fouls (which are also turnovers) and regular fouls. Offensive fouls are about as bad as shooting fouls (what's worse depends on FG% and FT%), but regular fouls can also be a problem as they put the other team in the bonus and may foul out your player. ST (and HA+PA) will help minimise at least that.

2) Aggressive players have a clear trade-off: more fouls on defense and more trips to the line on offense. However, because the IS of high SB players is typically lower and their shooting efficiency not that good, you would typically try to build them so that they take fewer shots (so relatively low DR, controlled JS and high PA). Therefore, assuming you punt IS, an aggressive player is not well suited for SB also because you cannot take full advantage on offense, not just the fouls on defense. He'd be better off being the primary or secondary option on offense.
All of this obviously has implications on how you train the player as you will want to limit is FGA per game. Training HA instead of 1v1, as Nachtmahr did for Haek, might be a very good idea indeed in this respect.
Keeping DR in check might also have implications on Offensive Rebounding, since it's unclear if ORs are impacted by HA or DR (typically players who have high HA also have high DR, but it stands to reason it's DR), but I don't want to enter into this discussion here.

All of these points do not take into account the recent GE changes. It might well be that players like Jagermeister who had very nice outside shooting skills and elite defensive skills, including high SB, could benefit substantially from the new changes offensively.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/4/2021 12:42:03 PM