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Basic shooting fundamentals apply to both jump shots and free throws. They're similar. You're arguing they're "completely different". I'd like to know why you feel that way. The main difference, for what I can gather, is that with a free throw you bend your knees and propel yourself upwards to gain momentum/strength and on a jump shot, you jump and gain momentum/strength that way. The similarities are the basic principles and fundamentals, the difference is uh, not much? Maybe you can explain it.

I'll try and give it a shot. I can't really find a video or the place where I've seen it, but it was something like "Shooting Fundamentals with Isaiah Thomas". He was not explaining they are completely different(you do use your hands in both of them), however, he did say that they are significantly different. And I know I've seen guys that make a ton of jump shots and miss the easy FTs. The motivation behind this what he was saying was that you do not shoot FTs in a rhythm and you have to actually stop your whole momentum and focus. MJ was also sustaining the same thing.

We are, however, wandering away from the topic of this thread...

Everything is fairly clear and simple, this is a basketball manager. You want a good defensive team, train OD, ID, you want offense go for 1 on 1 and JS and JR. Why should you be able to defend a three pointer if you never trained OD, or if you have atrocious OD, well, you shouldn't. Why should you be able to be a leading rebounder if you never trained rebounding... the list can go on.

Although free throws and jump shots may not be the same, in real life no one would miss 100 free throws in a row or more even if they never played basketball in their life.

Glad this isn't real life then.

Must be The Big Aristotle (Shaq for all who don't know that) haha

I'm just saying, don't like the free throw percentage? Train free throw then.

Hey there, I know the discussion is stuck on several points now, but here are the observations I can make with my team:


Name % Skill
A 0,805 12
B 0,806 11
C 0,794 10
D 0,778 7
E 0,688 7
F 0,629 5
G 0,764 5
H 0,571 4

I only chose players that made more than 20 FT in this season, and there was no FT training this season either. we can see that the percentages and skills are correlating, although not perfectly (but that would make things boring anyway...)

But the main point I want to state is that player H has a decent percentage with skill level 4, which is quickly achieved.

So: Come on people bitching about "unrealistic" FT-percentages! You can solve this problem quickly by training FT, probably for just one week or two to have your often cited 30% mark!!

Why should I train FT if I have a team of decent FT shooters and only one weak link (thats the case for most teams dragging a trainee with them)? Increasing the FT skill by 4 or 5 levels will take me 6-10 weeks and result in only a couple of points scored...

Just make sure the bad shooter doesn't get fouled, then. Or don't buy/train players who don't have decent free throw skill. Or take the hit and train FTs. Really, you're dealing with a problem with a myriad of solutions - just because they're ones you don't prefer doesn't mean that they're not perfectly adequate for the game as a whole.

You might as well ask the city manager or whatever the title would be to build you a new road to your destination because the existing one goes by a building you don't like.

City manager - that was a good one :)

You are right, all roads lead to rome - why even bother thinking about some alternatives...

i think all those 3pt shooter have practice FT somewhere, sometime during the season

i think all professional players have practice FT therefore they are not hitting 0.000%

and its good for the game to not award those who never practice

I'm still waiting for somebody beside me to run some stats. Except for those who don't care for any realism here at all, I think some hard data is in order to really see if the results of some skill combinations are rational.

i just read the small print on becoming a buzzerbeater supporter, and it said a requirement is to weigh in on this debate, so here goes:

i think of solutions as a spectrum, in this case, from status quo to ranges of changes.

-- if one thinks of training as "adding points per game", then (team) FT training is i would guess one of the most effective training practices a manager can use -- up to a point (marginal utility and all that). and that point is reached more quickly, probably, than with other skills (most managers would agree that average or respectable FT produces acceptable results).

-- the irritant is the odd player who just can not hit a FT, the career 0-1000 player. the simplest solution is to devote one week of training, get that atrocious up to pitiful, which usually means to somewhere between 33 and 50 per cent. little time, big returns. the principle of single-position training is useful for those who object to using team training to improve but one player.

-- if this is unacceptable, because nobody misses all free throws, then i would suggest more or less eliminating "atrocious" as a beginning skill as a 18 or 19 year old player -- in real life, it is safe to say, few players are atrocious, but many are pitiful or inept. to balance this, perhaps the speed of ft improvement as a result of training could be slowed slightly.

-- if the game developers are pursuing "realism", then i would have free throws influenced by other factors, including JS, but also experience, stamina, and game shape. for laughs, there could be an unknown cap on ft ability -- i could practice fts till the previously mentioned frogs had figured out how to use their wings, but i would never be a ray allen or dirk nowitzki -- making it in this way similar to stamina or more elusively a player's "physicality".

if forced to advocate for one of these positions, i would suggest eliminating "atrocious" as a ft ability.