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266312.87 in reply to 266312.10
Date: 3/16/2015 1:17:50 PM
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I will try my best to battle my way to stay up here, I don't see EDH slipping up from now till the end of the season. So I'll just have to be prepared to play in the relegation games.

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Date: 3/17/2015 8:18:14 AM
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With such a disappointing season, full of injuries that messy it all
I decide to pull out some stats
http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv193/lorisdj/stats.pn...

Interesting to find out that Turnover vs player driving is quite fuzzy, but tend to increase with Dr (which make sense)
No correlation with Passing ¿?
Weak but positive correlation with handling ?¿

Ergo, the more trained in Handling and passing more turnovers your player will have !
Sound weird! anybody confirming such relationship?

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 3/17/2015 9:54:40 AM
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With such a disappointing season, full of injuries that messy it all
I decide to pull out some stats
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv193/lorisdj/stats.pn...)

Interesting to find out that Turnover vs player driving is quite fuzzy, but tend to increase with Dr (which make sense)
No correlation with Passing ¿?
Weak but positive correlation with handling ?¿

Ergo, the more trained in Handling and passing more turnovers your player will have !
Sound weird! anybody confirming such relationship?



That's definitely interesting.

My opinion is that if there is a positive correlation, it's probably more along the lines of something like: "players with greater handling tend to have the ball more, thus have more opportunities for turnovers". I also think, with absolutely no factual analysis to confirm it, is that it is far better to have everyone on the court be "good" at handling and passing rather than having a few guys being great and anyone else relatively weak in those skills.

Of course, weak can be relative here, since the weakest of my 9 man core in those areas has 11 handling and 7 passing and will, on occasion, have 5 or 6 TO games. But the case for the balance in those fields is that I routinely have the fewest turnovers in the league, usually around 8 per game on average, despite really only having one guy above 11 passing.

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Date: 3/17/2015 12:28:49 PM
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My opinion is that if there is a positive correlation, it's probably more along the lines of something like: "players with greater handling tend to have the ball more, thus have more opportunities for turnovers".


still weird that that better player have more TO's, specially when combined with another plot where players with high DR 15 +/- 2 don't drive more than guys with <5

I thought maybe min on court might effect (tired) and refined my plot to TO per minute
http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv193/lorisdj/stats2.p...
much better correlation, but still posiitive, so again higher PA & HA means more TO's

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Date: 3/17/2015 4:25:27 PM
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My opinion is that if there is a positive correlation, it's probably more along the lines of something like: "players with greater handling tend to have the ball more, thus have more opportunities for turnovers".


still weird that that better player have more TO's, specially when combined with another plot where players with high DR 15 +/- 2 don't drive more than guys with <5

I thought maybe min on court might effect (tired) and refined my plot to TO per minute
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv193/lorisdj/stats2.p...)
much better correlation, but still posiitive, so again higher PA & HA means more TO's


Right, but what none of us know is the underlying mechanics. I imagine it could be a case where the game logic decides to shoot, pass, or drive and which might be the best result. If there's a player that's got bad ball skills, you probably wouldn't want to pass the ball to him normally, so the guys with higher skills end up passing the ball back and forth more. The better players then would turn the ball over a lot less on a per-touch basis, but because they're touching the ball much more frequently, on a per-minute basis it may appear higher.

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Date: 3/17/2015 5:59:59 PM
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i think you have to factor in your opposition --

your TO/game as a team is 10.9, which places your squad right in the middle of the NBBA. six squads have less than 10 a game, and TKI and TnT lead our league with less than 9. so, presumably, what is true for your squad is probably true for the rest of us.

which suggests to me that your TO is often the result of your opponent's skill. i've never figured out the GE, but i do think that on a given play one of the decisions made is whether to look at the defensive player"s or the offensive player's relevant skill. if that is even approximately true, you have to expect that some of these guards with their colossal outside defense or these SFs with their prodigious OD and tremendous ID sometimes position themselves to get a steal, even if you are named Stephen Curry or Kyrie Irving.

this is not to say that there isn't something you could do to improve TOs, but league averages suggest that your room for improvement is no more than 2 or so fewer TOs a game, and that is if you can figure out what magiker and TnT tell their players when training.

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266312.93 in reply to 266312.88
Date: 3/17/2015 9:59:11 PM
EDH Wolves
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Nothing like the surprise Crunch Time tactic eh, you must have really wanted this one.....

Cws
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Date: 3/17/2015 10:43:21 PM
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Well with the Cross Chargers loss that now puts IYF back into the playoffs for now...plus it helps me out. So thank you for the crunch time.

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Date: 3/18/2015 12:03:51 PM
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Even though it hurt me a good bit, it makes sense. IYF has two tough games against Eugene and Beware of Dogs back to back and it would have been tough to win those games with high enthusiasm. Judging off the fact the game with EDH was still close despite the CT-TIE which suggests the same tactic against the two stronger teams may have resulted in a devastating loss. No offense to cws' team , of course.

Gotta take the wins where you can get them, particularly when injuries force you to do things you normally wouldn't (twss). Believe me, I am living it this season.

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Date: 3/19/2015 6:21:54 AM
In your face
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Even though it hurt me a good bit, it makes sense. IYF has two tough games against Eugene and Beware of Dogs back to back and it would have been tough to win those games with high enthusiasm. Judging off the fact the game with EDH was still close despite the CT-TIE which suggests the same tactic against the two stronger teams may have resulted in a devastating loss. No offense to cws' team , of course.


You're right! private message sent to cws as well
I am not specially proud, but was the best choice :(


Last edited by Xtc at 3/19/2015 4:00:33 PM

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Date: 3/20/2015 5:38:21 PM
Beware of Dogs
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