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One specific example of a tanking team potentially reaping the rewards is Random Noise (24818). For those of you not familiar with this team let me give you a break down.

I'm not sure about him. I mean, he is pretty smart. If this was really his plan I am sure he would have also trained 2-3 players. But certainly, his options will be wide open, whether by design or by fluke. Note that he doesn't even have to demote. He could easily re-tool midway through the season, win the rest of his games, make the playoffs and kill Torooo in the finals. Now wouldn't that be an interesting story?

I think there are other interesting examples - like Superfly Guy. And I am almost 99.9% sure he will time the market right, too. Potentially making him the most unstoppable team out there.

I also did something like that last season, although in retrospect I should have continued until next season. I have never been good at market simulators, though. I also thought to myself: "Certainly this deflation has run its course and the BBs will do something if it continues". Bah!


Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 10/26/2010 8:08:08 PM

I am a bit surprised to hear the BB developers actually want to compromise market stability for that "equilibrium". Market stability should be the 1st priority to let players focus on playing the game itself rather than trying to speculate on what is going to happen to the game. It's also not funny seeing the players you bought losing value quickly.

Last edited by 7ton at 10/27/2010 10:19:20 AM

I am a bit surprised to hear the BB developers actually want to compromise market stability for that "equilibrium". Market stability should be the 1st priority to let players focus on playing the game itself rather than trying to speculate on what is going to happen to the game. It's also not funny seeing the players you bought losing value quickly.

The entire purpose of reaching the equilibrium is so that we have market stability over many seasons, just say over 50 seasons, versus having market stability for 5 seasons, but running into issues later. I actually think they maybe have been overly persistent in making sure this was clear.

About your players losing value, its all relative. Not like only your players are losing value, so you arent really losing much of anything provided you would use the sell money for a purchase. The other thing is, even if the BBs did nothing at all, your players were going to 'lose' value as the game ages anyways.

Yes,but I don't understand why this objective should be reached only draining away money from the overall market,when there are different ways to raise money and drain way money indiscrimnately affect more teams that chose some strategy against teams that chose other strategy(Randoim Noise scenario is a perfect example)

But its not draining away money. Supply and Demand. There are more trained players now than there were 3 seasons ago. Any possible logic follows that the prices are going to drop. The game is young, this hadnt happened prior to that. It is happening now.

Market follows says that supply and domand are leading the prices to drop,but at the time the Supply is drugged by FA,especially from low/middle level FA,that all the teams are capable to train but at the time see their value not simply lowereb,but definitively disrupted
Weren't BB words that FA are in the market to drain money?

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 10/27/2010 12:38:59 PM

But its not draining away money. Supply and Demand. There are more trained players now than there were 3 seasons ago. Any possible logic follows that the prices are going to drop. The game is young, this hadnt happened prior to that. It is happening now.

Before you start chanting on this, I just want to point out that prices dropped way off the cliff in a span of only about 5-6 weeks. In particular, I bought a SG about 4 weeks ago for what I thought was a fantastic deal (based on what I saw similar players selling for in the off-season). However, his value has even dropped since then, possibly by as much as $1 million

I never remember the 3rd week of the season to be a historically bad time to buy. Actually, I seem to remember that it was usually the off-season when you could pick up the best deals on players.

All this to say that: there is an argument out there saying the top players in the game still get top dollar. I am here to tell you that they may still get top dollar, but the currency is no longer the same.

(By the way, just as a further example, not too long ago the top players in the game sold for 10 million or more. By my estimation, top players sell for considerably less than that in the current market.)

When stuff like this happens, I think there is a problem: (161502.87). I have seen others complain about daytraders but to me this is worse. At least daytraders keep the market going and it takes a lot of effort to be a successful daytrader. This "new" strategy is the lazy man's path to success. I don't want to pick on Random Noise as I don't think this was a plan for world domination. But others are following the path purposefully and with full knowledge of where it leads.

Anyhow, as far as I can tell, the BBs said there would be a market correction. Nowhere did I see them say there would be a market collapse. To me those are two different things. On top of that, I was never left with the impression that this would stretch over many seasons. And to say that the top players in the game still get the same market prices as they did 2-3 seasons ago is stretching the truth to say the least. If that was true, I could live with the "new market".

I don't want to tell them how to run the game. I am just saying what I currently don't like about the game. As always, if they and everyone else likes it the way it is, then I can live with that.

- In terms of changing valuations of players and evolving rankings, I might predict that in a few seasons, everybody will be wondering why BB managers were so late to realize the value of shot blocking and free throws, too.

I held back from commenting on this but as usual, I will throw out my two possibilities on this one:

1) The BBs do not understand the salary vs shot blocking model that they themselves have implemented... And they do not see that dollar for dollar, it makes more sense to train primary skills.
(in fact it is still one of my beefs that top centres have way higher salaries than top guards)

OR (possibly the more likely option...)

2) There are not enough metrics in the game for the end users to actually realize the value of shot blocking (whether it be in the match ratings or in the match report).

Either way, I do not see this solely as a failure of BB managers. I think the BBs have to take some of the blame here.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 10/27/2010 2:19:12 PM