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so lets move on...i hope. If yall have anymore to say I'll be polite and respond, but at this point I could see it going in a circle again and maybe not a good road to go down.

Please do keep responding if you think you have anything to add! While I really don't see myself being a trader, the different perspectives are always good, as long as nobody is preaching too hard. ;)

Yet your big folly is assuming that most DIV managers are new. This is not the case. I know many DIV managers that have been in the same league for many seasons and have very good teams, I also know many DIII teams that get bumped down and stuck there.

Plenty of DIV teams can afford training.

Especially buying an 18 year old superstar/MVP for less than 500k. Even a new team can afford that if they are smart and play the draft well. In the lower divisions you can make a killing in the draft because inactive don't scout. I drafted last in the previous season and walked away with an MVP 6'1 PG 3.8 salary....sold him for 800k. Easy money.

I think you have been very lucky with your drafts (and I admit I have too) but they aren't all like that. In my league last season there was only one good player in the entire draft and even he was listed MANY times before finally selling for $750,000. I am not aware of another player from the draft selling for more than $21,000. Seriously.

All the 18 year olds in the draft.

6'1" 4/1 B PF
6'2" 4/3 B+ PG SECOND BEST
6'2" 2 PG
6'3" 3 SF
6'4" 3 SF
6'5" 5/2 A SG
6'5" 4/2 B C
6'5" 1 SG
6'6" 2 C
6'6" 4/2 B+ SG
6'6" 1 SG
6'6" 2 PF
6'7" 1 PG
6'8" 5/5 A PG BEST
6'8" 1 PF
6'9" 2 SF
6'9" 5/2 A C
6'10" 3 C
6'10" 3 SG
6'10" 4 PF
6'11" 4 PF
7'0" 5/2 A+ C
7'1" ?

According to my scouting this was the second best 18 year old guy in the draft:

Rove Symonds (21093120)
Point Guard
Owner: Retired
Weekly salary: $ 3 650
Age: 18
Height: 6'2" / 188 cm
Potential: star

He was fired by his manager who didn't think he was worth selling for $1.

So my opinion about what a "gold mine" the draft is varies from yours by a lot!

So my opinion about what a "gold mine" the draft is varies from yours by a lot!

It's still a gold mine, just that there's very little gold in the mine at times.

I've been at this for a long time, of course I've seen terrible drafts like that.

Im very confused about that 18 year old that was fired. Even if by a fluke he had pitiful OD, he could've at least sold him for 100k or something. That happened to my brother once and he managed to get about that much for a player like that.

Speaking of which, I personally hate them, but his team is basically founded off of 19 year olds that he drafted. Three of his starters were 19. Granted two of them were bigs with very high initial salaries, but it is definitely noteworthy that he's doing okay in DIII with that strategy.

So...I would've taken Symonds, but worst come to worst, a 19 year old 6'4 5/4 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Although I honestly can't remember the last time I intentionally took a 19 year old.

Last edited by Amarestars at 9/23/2011 10:50:26 AM

Did you miss all this?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I hsould be nicer to you, back when I was daytrading regularly, guys like you were my customers.

...this is coming from one of the most successfull trainers of the last couple seasons.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

You are clueless, completely clueless.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

My bad, I totally missed that :)

Finally, I will look for your 13+ OD under 150k...plenty.

Actually there is nine. How many also have sensational passing? None. None of the auctions even finish in the next 23 hours, funny that. They are just guys who have been listed low, not sold low. Several of those guys (who are not as good as the examples I gave) have TPEs and guess what, all but one are around a million and the one who doesn't is exactly the sort of guy you hate a JS monster, as well as being really old. He is the only one who will come close so I have bookmarked him and we shall see tomorrow his actual sale price.

Well the auction is over and the WORST player like the ones we discussed has sold. Did he sell for $150k like you said or $1,000,000 like I said (remembering that he is 5 years older than my examples and actually didn't have as good skills as my examples). Drum roll....

Transfer 9/25/2011 17 Purchased from mandy922 for $ 873 200

Nikolay Telichan (4492337)
Shooting Guard
Owner: Silesian Suns
Weekly salary: $ 44 823
Age: 30
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: perennial allstar

So FAR older and worse than my examples, obviously a one off, but yet another piece of evidence. You could create 3 players much better than him in 4 seasons from an initial investment of less than $100,000. That is a profit of at least $3,000,000 (but I still think closer to $4,000,000 in profit after costs) which for a division V team I would think could be useful as opposed to hiring mono-skilled expensive old guys and getting stuck at the bottom of division IV forever. That is not even taking into consideration that in seasons three and four the team would have access to those players to win games and in important weeks train JS or 1on1 and play all three of them in competitive matches.

I can't even remember what the point of the argument was except a debate about the cost of 12/12/12 players and if they are actually useful or not.

Last edited by yodabig at 9/25/2011 7:27:15 PM