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I'm a big defender of the game and the developers and I really do believe that everything is being done to run the game smoothly whilst making as many realistic, and necessary, changes as possible. We should all enjoy it while its here!!


However in terms of 'vision' and plans, it really doesn't seem like there is one. I think the game really is just being run until there are too few managers for it to be viable...

The changes needed to increase or even sustain the user base at this point, including an app and a massive overhaul of the game itself, are just unrealistic.

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Date: 9/16/2015 8:00:36 PM
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I think the best solution for retaining new users would be a better game manual.

How many people actually read through it?

We need something layered, where the basic info would be short and easy to follow, then add more in-depth explanations, then eventually all the rules and systems.

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Completing tasks to obtain the 'license' in Hattrick does give rewards doesn't it? I did that a long time ago so I don't remember very well, but I think you're required to take certain steps in order to complete it. It's also more interactive than reading a long manual, as it requires you to "do" stuff and see first hand how it works.

I think something like that could be implemented and the devs only need tovbuild the interface, the actual text and even the tasks to be carried out could be designed by a group of GMs/Managers and then translated.

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That's a pretty grim situation then...we are indeed doomed and heading towards a slow death as the thread says.

To be fair a lot of things can be improved without touching the GE, which, we all agree, is a beast in its own right and at this point there is not enough workforce to contemplate serious changes there.

It's really simple though: think about getting new users and getting them to stay in the game or the numbers will drop further and it will kill the game. At that point, nobody from the current userbase, not even the guys who want the game to be ultra-hard and hyper-complicated or those who think it's fine as it is will keep playing :S. This is similar to what happened in micronations already...

And if the plan is to let it die, then why not sell it to someone else? It would much so much sense.

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The changes needed to increase or even sustain the user base at this point, including an app and a massive overhaul of the game itself, are just unrealistic.


Pretty much this. EDIT: Getting rid of a few annoying "features" would be a good start tho.

And if the plan is to let it die, then why not sell it to someone else? It would much so much sense.


Who would touch a rotting corpse at this point? The cow has been milked - probably there is not much money to be made. Plus as far as my understanding is, the game is built with software (databases, flash etc) that soon will be (or already are) outdated and obsolete. Increasing performance issues with the smallest userbase ever, are really bad signs - the site should perform better and faster than ever one should think.

So after all it would probably be the best idea to build sthg. from scratch, which - in this super competitive and fast paced environment of free online games and such a small niche - might not be the best idea.

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So what's the point of playing anymore if you guys don't see this going anywhere long term. Might as well quit now and find something else to do with your time instead of wasting it on building your team/trainees/whatever for the future.

Personally I would like to know if the owners/devs share your opinion and Blur's.

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So what's the point of playing anymore if you guys don't see this going anywhere long term. Might as well quit now and find something else to do with your time instead of wasting it on building your team/trainees/whatever for the future.


That's whats happening right now anyways. But most of those people remain silent and quit without notice - those who speak, try to get involved or offer suggestions to clean the current mess up are ridiculed and obliterated.

I think there is still a chance to turn this around, but only if this policy of bad compromises is abandoned.

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Completing tasks to obtain the 'license' in Hattrick does give rewards doesn't it? I did that a long time ago so I don't remember very well, but I think you're required to take certain steps in order to complete it. It's also more interactive than reading a long manual, as it requires you to "do" stuff and see first hand how it works.

I think something like that could be implemented and the devs only need tovbuild the interface, the actual text and even the tasks to be carried out could be designed by a group of GMs/Managers and then translated.


There is (or at least was) a new manager checklist that incorporated some various tasks, though I don't remember any rewards being tied to that. Definitely having that enhanced and rewards implemented for that would be productive, though.

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Completing tasks to obtain the 'license' in Hattrick does give rewards doesn't it? I did that a long time ago so I don't remember very well, but I think you're required to take certain steps in order to complete it. It's also more interactive than reading a long manual, as it requires you to "do" stuff and see first hand how it works.

I think something like that could be implemented and the devs only need tovbuild the interface, the actual text and even the tasks to be carried out could be designed by a group of GMs/Managers and then translated.


There is (or at least was) a new manager checklist that incorporated some various tasks, though I don't remember any rewards being tied to that. Definitely having that enhanced and rewards implemented for that would be productive, though.


In my opinion this won't change a lot.

Placing the new users in an environment that allows them to be competitive and start with low pressure, thus keeping the motivation on a high level, is the top priority.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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Amen brother! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6w255CGkk


Also the key is increased awareness of the game, I got one of my old friends into the game at the start of the season and he is getting into the swing of things, there is a market out there still for this product, we must find a way to tap into it on the cheap.

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Fix the training. Fix the training. Fix the training.

The reason the market is bare is because no one trains. It shouldn't take nearly 2 full real time years before an 18 year old is able to compete in the upper levels. So no one is training and the players available are going to continue to dry up. That's is going to kill this game much faster than people think. The good players are declining at a far quicker rate than new ones are being developed.

Rapidly increase the pops in the 18-21 year old years, or make a good portion of the trainees good enough to at least be part of a rotation in D3. With TSP in the 70s and even 80s.

That's the most dire issue that needs attention first and quickly.

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