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185937.9 in reply to 185937.8
Date: 5/27/2011 9:17:39 AM
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I realize this is off-topic, but watch game tape of Garnett and you'll see a player well past his prime. And Nowitzki's never been known for his low-post prowess.


but even when he isn't known for it, because he chooses very often not the classical low post moves - he lives from the feeds in the post. He isn't the dude, who get the ball at the 3 point line(and then mostly just to shoot it) or even in the own court and create his shot himself. he is also not really a genious passer, even when he understoods good to pass out of double teams(even when he struggles in that discipline against okc). So overall he get utilize at a post player, even when you could play pick and pop with him.

Even the Spurs in their heyday relied as much on Ginobili and Parker as they did on Duncan.



And kobe wasn't succesful without a scoring inside presence like Gasol or Shaq ;)

I'm pretty sure that Dwight Howard would disagree with your definition of success. He'll be wearing a different uniform after next season because his team can't win in the playoffs.


that mostly what i said, because those dude would struggle without him maybe comparable with the Cavs without Lebron(maybe not that extrem, but Lebron is actually the best player on the court even when i don't like him and his style of play)


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185937.10 in reply to 185937.9
Date: 5/27/2011 9:28:27 AM
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well, i would like to have a monster defensive big man, and strong guards:)

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185937.13 in reply to 185937.9
Date: 5/28/2011 12:49:30 AM
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And kobe wasn't succesful without a scoring inside presence like Gasol or Shaq ;)





Touche.

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185937.14 in reply to 185937.12
Date: 5/28/2011 12:59:57 AM
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Do you follow the NBA much?

I'm wondering, if Pau and KG are NOT elite big men....who are?

I think if you are going to argue that the champion teams do not have great big men then you need to show some examples of teams that DO.

My knee jerk reaction is to say you are totally wrong and talking wtihout very much experience or knowledge about the NBA or basketball in general.


And your knee-jerk reaction is wrong. Watch Garnett play and you'll see a player whose knees are shot, reactions are slow. His best days are WAY behind him. Pau is the single biggest reason why the Lakers are no longer playing. He and Carlos Boozer are the most overrated big men in the league. There are 5 elite post players in the NBA: Howard, Griffin, Bosh, Nowitzki, and Stoudemire. Horford, Love, and Randolph aren't too far away. Everyone else is a clear step below.

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185937.16 in reply to 185937.15
Date: 5/28/2011 2:51:36 AM
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assuming any one considers those one dimensional players... proper 'bigs' that is.

Time for me to train bigs and sell em when everyone else who's started training guards now needs bigs. D:

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185937.17 in reply to 185937.7
Date: 5/28/2011 3:39:51 AM
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If you had to pick one is it better to have strong big men or strong guards?

Please note that one strong outside player costs the same as two strong inside players ;-)
So train guards and buy big men ;-)



There is a limitation to that: big men are expensive in salary that means you pay on weekly basis what you save at acquisition. This is especially true with developed skill sets.

If you look at well rounded big men like PFs with competitive OD, range & offensive flow you'll see that their prices approach those of SFs. That's all a question of training weeks.

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185937.19 in reply to 185937.14
Date: 5/28/2011 3:58:32 AM
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And your knee-jerk reaction is wrong. Watch Garnett play and you'll see a player whose knees are shot, reactions are slow. His best days are WAY behind him. Pau is the single biggest reason why the Lakers are no longer playing. He and Carlos Boozer are the most overrated big men in the league. There are 5 elite post players in the NBA: Howard, Griffin, Bosh, Nowitzki, and Stoudemire. Horford, Love, and Randolph aren't too far away. Everyone else is a clear step below.


did he just put griffin in top 5 post player?

sigh.

well he doesnt watch NBA after all.

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