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192301.9 in reply to 192301.8
Date: 8/3/2011 7:29:40 AM
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I say stick with it and don't waste your money


I guess that depends how much you value training. I would suggest that if you take a nothing special 18 year old allstar worth $10-20,000 and train them properly for four seasons they would be worth at least a million. That means each player you train appreciates about $250,000 a season if trained properly (most arent and so don't appreciate anywhere as much). So if you think about that doesn't it make sense to spend a little extra on the initial product? Which is the bigger waste of money, spending a bit at the start and ending up with a player worth a million dollars, or not spending and ending up with a player worth a quarter of that?

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192301.10 in reply to 192301.9
Date: 8/3/2011 11:36:28 AM
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Some rookies sell for so cheap that it would only take him like you said 20,000 to get a good trainee. Then if he has a good trainer and trains him for a while, He will be 3x the player the other one would be if he wants to keep him, and if he trains him to a salary to high for himself he can sell him for a huge profit

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192301.11 in reply to 192301.1
Date: 8/3/2011 6:50:40 PM
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If you trained this guy for 3 seasons at the start of his 21 year old the best he could be is

Jump Shot: Prominent Jump Range: Strong
Outside Def.: Prolific Handling: Prominent
Driving: Prominent Passing: Prominent

thats a good player right there but if you spent 50,000 on getting on all star potential SG with respectable JS and OD to start he could end up looking like at least like this, assuming you have a level 3-4 trainer.

Jump Shot: Sensational Jump Range: Proficent
Outside Def.: Sensational Handling: Prominent
Driving: Prolific Passing: Prominent


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192301.12 in reply to 192301.8
Date: 8/4/2011 7:22:19 AM
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ignore the scoffing of the upper division dolts


We "upper division dolts" actually have some experience on that matter, so if you don't want to listen, at least leave him the choice to listen to us or not!

When evaluating a trainee at the beginning of his career, ask yourself where do you want to be in three or four seasons. If your answer is "in higher league", go and see those higher leagues right now and check up some key players there. If your player can't match those key players because of his low potential, then don't bother with him. You will train him for two-three seasons and when you advance, you will discover you invested three seasons in a bench player.

At least this is my experience...I invested four seasons in two players with allstar potential and if I'd train them 1-position this season, they would cap, but wouldn't be good enough to be starters in my league. So what's the point in training someone you won't need at the end of his training career?

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192301.13 in reply to 192301.12
Date: 8/4/2011 8:38:27 AM
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Well you could always sell the player to help fund the purchase of a player that is good enough so it isn't a totally useless exercise.

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192301.14 in reply to 192301.8
Date: 8/5/2011 1:46:23 AM
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ignore the scoffing of the upper division dolts - if you trained him well this season and next he can be a solid starter for you in Div. IV and at the very least a decent backup in Div III. His only atrocious stat is rebounding...which for a PG/SG isn't an issue.

I say stick with it and don't waste your money.


this may be the worst advice ever .

spend the 20-50 k and get a trainee worth training .

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192301.15 in reply to 192301.14
Date: 8/5/2011 11:57:56 AM
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My only point is not that the upper division guys don't have experience training, it's just that you can more easily afford to discard a player with lower potential that will service the needs of a roster at a lower division for several seasons. I'm not against spending a little bit to bolster your training regiment - I've done that plenty. I'm just suggesting that if he's new to the game, his first trainee's are not going to turn out quite like a more experienced "dolt" from the upper division would get them to turn out. In that regard, I'm suggesting that he not waste the great potential of a player and use what he's got.

Sorry for offending all you in the upper divisions.

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192301.16 in reply to 192301.15
Date: 8/5/2011 9:23:24 PM
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My only point is not that the upper division guys don't have experience training


Mu Hongyun (16764151) Small Forward Weekly salary: $ 23 925 Age: 21 Currently on the Australian U21 team
Barton Melmeth (16765388) Point Guard Weekly salary: $ 13 522 Age: 21
Diptavrna Kumar (19609870) Shooting Guard Weekly salary: $ 7 657 Age: 19 (Bought as a raw $3,000 18 year old draftee and now an U21 prospect as well)


So perhaps some of the upper division dolts do have some experience.

Last edited by yodabig at 8/5/2011 9:23:56 PM

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192301.17 in reply to 192301.16
Date: 8/8/2011 7:30:21 AM
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check the double negative...

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192301.18 in reply to 192301.17
Date: 8/15/2011 7:27:03 AM
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My only point is not that 1 + 1 = 2 or that 2 + 2 = 4 but that 3 + 3 = 6.


There is no double negative. It is not claiming that 1 + 1 does not equal 2 merely that the point that you are trying to make is that 3 + 3 = 6.

The Australian U21 coach recently stated that training ANY player with less than superstar potential is a waste of time. I think that is an exaggeration but I can assure everyone I feel good every single day that two of my three trainees are superstars.

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192301.19 in reply to 192301.18
Date: 8/15/2011 8:12:03 AM
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I'm sorry, let me explain my previous statement better:

I do not believe that people who have more experience do not know how to train.

I hope that makes sense.

In regards to the U21 coach stating that training ANY player with less than superstar potential is a waste of time, I think that's probably quite true, for those who are in higher leagues and those specifically training players for the National Teams.

It's obviously more beneficial in the long-term to train players with higher potential, but at some point, those players will be too costly for some managers because they cannot afford to house even one Superstar potential player at their full potential.

If players with less than superstar potential are not worth training, then why do they exist? Is it some grand scheme to get losers to continue to lose?

I don't have a beef with you and again, I'm sorry if I offended you - I was simply trying to provide a new manager with a different perspective.

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