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maybe when they drive on the countryside for a picknick, but when you like to win championship you need new guys with high targets, you need guys fighting for minutes which each other and the rival or the former starter get unsatisfied when the minutes changes to their disguise etc.
If you not change the mix from time to time, and give an ambitious backup a new challenge in a other team(or send away the former starter) to get another one normally your team will be stuck. Also the arrival of a new star, give a team a push or a new backup can help the starter to fight harder.
Just saying when you keep them long enough they are a happy family ambitious family is in my eyes simply wrong.

Having better players improve the team, as you can definately see on real team and in BB.
But, this does not come in contradiction to a team who run with the same players and each know what the favourable play is, and where it is better to pass him the ball.
This is called chemistry in a team, and it is not considentialy a phrase in baskeball and other sport's games.

Even when i say, that a bit dynamic instead isn't really bad for a game, instead of encouraging people to do nothing

It is not doing nothing - it is improving the team by getting better in tactics for the players you current have, training them better - choosing corectly who to train, choosing how much to invest in that, and choosing the type of training etc.

Currently the BB is all about selling and purchasing constantly and during the season.

In the real world, it is suprisingly not so.
Teams adds a major player only once in a while.
How much players the mavericks (for example) got in the last season? When? How big was their role?

In the real world, it is suprisingly not so.
Teams adds a major player only once in a while.
How much players the mavericks (for example) got in the last season? When? How big was their role?

Chandler, Jones., Butler just to name three. Two of them was quite important i think ;) About one of them was after his injury constantly trade rumours.

But, this does not come in contradiction to a team who run with the same players and each know what the favourable play is, and where it is better to pass him the ball.
This is called chemistry in a team, and it is not considentialy a phrase in baskeball and other sport's games.]

yes, but still all team replace their players, not everytime with better ones. To keep the chemistry up, caused 2-3 player can be integrated in a functioning system(i believe you mean that instead of chemistry). Which is also a more realistic amount to be succesfull, when you considering chemistry and pretty close to the none scrimmage change i do here(maybe even less).

Currently the BB is all about selling and purchasing constantly and during the season.

In the real world, it is suprisingly not so.

if you follow basketball, especially in europe you couldn't say that. But probadly europe is in fantasialand, like your BB experience. Buying selling is part of the game, but not close to the key part. And hey you started the real world ;)

Here you see for example the changes during the offseason and first weeks in the german first division, and in average there get also two player replaced during the season(so +4 transfers):

http://www.beko-bbl.de/remotecontent/deliver.php?menuid=1...
(first row players who come, second row player who changed the club, third row players and trainers who stay, most of them are players from the second team who rarely play)

Maybe you can say that this isn't like then in israel, but in my experience, 3-4 players from israel are transfered during the season in the BBL so i doubt it.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 10/27/2011 2:01:18 PM

Chandler, Jones., Butler just to name three. Two of them was quite important i think ;) About one of them was after his injury constantly trade rumours.

Chandler was the only important key here.
Butler had been injured and didn't played in the playoff.
Chandler was not the main players at the team and not the second. [Interestingly you didn't write that about their role in the team]

I didn't say that there are no players replacements at all.
I wrote that in BB-world it comes in rate which is huge comparing to the real world.
Both in quantity and in their role.

In the end, it is not rare to see teams here just buy players seconds before playoff or tunking by selling all their players.

This game in not all about exploiting the TL (especially due to the fact that it is unfair due to its current auction system).
Training, tactics, minutes spreading and others should have at least as big role as TL currently has.

Chandler was not the main players at the team and not the second. [Interestingly you didn't write that about their role in the team]

ehm many people would say he was the second important player, at least what i read at espn. But about the role, i never bring that up. I just say that you need replacement, for the chemistry. Young hungry player for example, also a star player could release forces. Players fighting for minutes goes good for a while, but after a while one often starts to accepting his role or is so unsatisfied with it that he destroys the chemistry.

Till the butler injury he was the second best player, and the mavericks at the best record(ok he got injured around the nowitzky injury)

I wrote that in BB-world it comes in rate which is huge comparing to the real world.
Both in quantity and in their role.

i really never see so much replacement in BB then in the real world, before some years we was happy when my favorite team have one player left from the last season ;)

But good to see, that you didn't read my post like always, and just quoting random stuff and talk about different thinks and imagine what i might say.

It came with big "suprise" to see that you are one who bought in the last season (for example) 7 players!!!
Not including the 2 you just recently bought.

Ofcousre, your claim here was not due to interest, and the fact above has nothing to do with that. right?...

It came with big "suprise" to see that you are one who bought in the last season (for example) 7 players!!!
Not including the 2 you just recently bought.

Ofcousre, your claim here was not due to interest, and the fact above has nothing to do with that. right?...

and how much for them play more then scrimmages, or unimportant cup matches? That was my claim.

And then we get down to the bouillon transfer(sold), the Dieckhoff(bought), dincmen(bought just mostly training), afteuven(more serious cup minute killer, bought/sold). So 3 new guys, less then most real world club.

And what did have to do, that no transfer are bad for chemistry like to much ;) This would get to complicated in my eyes.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 10/27/2011 3:14:07 PM

Maybe this has been said before but I didn't see it in the list of suggestions.

Here are some previous threads on this topic, in case anyone wants to see how much discussion there has been on this in the past and what was said already. I may have missed some...:
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I am getting more and more intrigued by Pini's world.

A world where Chandler and Butler didn't have a big role in the Mavs.
A world where scouts are paid to tell you that Ray Allen is a legendary shooter.
A world where only Pini is right and if someones tries to prove him wrong, he's part of a Conspiracy of Dishonest Egoists.
A world where auctions are made by robots.

I can't wait for the next spectacular episodes of Pini's world!

:-P

Let's keep this civil and on topic please.

1) Butler had not played for the Mavs most of the season.
Chandler had a big role (as I wrote), but it wasn't the biggest role in the team.
What is most definately happens in BB and not in the real world (and to that I implied) is that the MVP of a team may be purchased just before playoff.
This does not happen in "real world" as the performance a new player could bring to a team is much less comparing to what he could give after a short whil and this is due to this lack of "Team chemistry" feature.

2) Scouts has (big) role in a team and they are not just watching for new players in a draft.
It is especially essential here due to the case I wrote above.
One cannot analyze a player which just arrived before playoff.
There are great difference between leagues, and like Morison career in college could not helped the team who faced LA to analyze its abilities, the same is true about a player who comes just seconds before playoff.
And ofcourse there are the opposite cases of players who wasn't impressive in one league and was legendary in the NBA.

3) Auctions does not happen in the real world!
The player will want to get the best price and will not sign for a team just that it happened to be at a specific unconvenient time where others could not attend to.
The deal is not made by the manager of a bakerball team but by agents from both sides.
The team's agent is given instructions what is the max value a player can have, and that person will try to close the best deal for the team under this definitions.
Sounds very much like Auto-Bidding for me...

"Team chemistry" is not incidentally a common phrase in sports, as it has big impact on team's performance at the court.
It may come to you with big supprise, but one of pre-camp main goals is to work on this "Team chemistry".
and I'll repeat again...
What is most definately happens in BB and not in the real world (and to that I implied) is that the MVP of a team may be purchased just before playoff.
This does not happen in "real world" as the performance a new player could bring to a team is much less comparing to what he could give after a short whil and this is due to this lack of "Team chemistry" feature.

BTW, I was "shocked" to see that you, who has no hidden reason to oppose this suggestion (as you wrote), "incidentally" had bought your most expensive player (and most valuable one) just seconds before playoff started.
A player who has almost twice as much salary compared to any other team-mate you have.

I'm "shocked" an totaly "supprised". How can it be that it corellated your uncivilzed opposing this suggestion.
What your done (by buying that player seconds before playoff) just proved that this feature is one of the more needed features.
Thanks!

Last edited by Pini פיני at 10/28/2011 8:46:52 AM

As I wanted to have a shorter version of my response, I added this message.

I was "shocked" to see that you, "who has no hidden reason to oppose this suggestion" (as you wrote), "incidentally" had bought your most expensive player (and most valuable one) just seconds before playoff started.
A player who has almost twice as much salary compared to any other team-mate you have.
Where does this happen in the real world?
Does a player who have just been added to a team plays just as good as when some chemistry with his teamate will be created?

I'm "shocked" and I am totaly "supprised".
How can it be that it corellates to your uncivilzed way of opposing this suggestion.

What you've done (by buying that player seconds before playoff) just proved that this feature is one of the more needed features.
Thanks!



Last edited by Pini פיני at 10/28/2011 8:52:13 AM