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This last message was in full by me. Hit the wrong button, too many of those (buttons) after waking up and no coffee yet. Note to myself: no posting without coffee. Sorry Pini!

Leaving behind the colourful explanation from Pini, here´s something what makes a trader a daytrader:

(1) Buying / Selling players mainly for the economical impact, not for his contribution on the court.

(2) Watching the TL for "Bargain Players", and buying players at prices way below their later reselling value.

(3) Trying to re-sell them in no-time (instantly, or within weeks) for an amount which is x-times the buying price.

(4) Not spending much time to develop a player, but jumping at "options" when making a find.

The following methods are in place to limit daytrading:

(1) Transfer fee, which depends on both the number of players traded in the last 14 weeks as well as the time a player spent on your roster. Note that you will never get more than 97% of the trading value.

(2) "No-Trade" Time, which means every player has to be paid his salary at least once before beeing traded again.

(3) Starting Bid for Free Agents. The minimum bet for a Free Agent starts at 10 times the salary of that player. You therefore cannot buy big money FAs for "no money" anymore.


Daytrading usually excludes people buying cheap talent at some point, developing it for a short / medium time, and then re-selling it, which is also a quite common approach.

Daytrading actually happened most during the late seasons of the beginning era, when prices went through the roof and you can made a huge amount of money in a short time. With the "breakdown" of the market and the economical balancing happening as of late, the effect of daytrading has been extremely limited.

I wouldnt go as far and say that daytrading is not happening at all anymore, but from my (subjective) observations, the days when daytrading were the one and only way to get to the top are long gone. In fact, I don´t compete with any obvious daytrader in my league, nor have I met any as opponent over the last seasons.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 1/6/2012 3:32:44 AM

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It can generally be said that they are users who trade constantly to catch deals, and not for improving their team.

They are using the following things:
1) They can (currently) ask for any starting price for a player.
This is why you will see them fighting against limiting the max value a player can be purchased on. A value that needs to be limited and proportional to a player's skills-set.

2) There are always new users who will "make a mistake" and bid on any starting price.

3) There are always a bargains that can be purchased, as there is no semi-automatic auction system, they just need to wait for a slot of time where there are few users online and take an advantage of their spare time and purchase that type of player.
Using a Semi-automatic auction system where one can set a bidding (starting and max) would have eliminated that (you can read my suggestion regarding Auto-Auction suggestion to learn more about that), and that is why you will see those specific users fighting against it.

Of course this game is about BB-managing, and not an eBay-game or an Agent-game.
This is why this phenomenon needs to be E-L-I-M-I-N-A-T-E-D

Last edited by Pini פיני at 1/6/2012 6:02:19 AM

Thanks.

The thing is if you like it or not it is a very easy way to make a lot of money and distasteful as it is if you can resell a player occasionally at a big profit why wouldn't you do it. What does happen though is that there are lots of players who seem to make this their main aim in the game, they are constantly buying players cheaply and selling them at crazy prices and they just need a sucker every so often to keep the party going. what is really annoying is they often swoop on 18 year old FA prospects because they have a low weekly wage cost and they can keep several for a few weeks and just selling one pays for the rest. The thing that annoys me about this is that they don't train them and it puts those future U21NT prospects a few weeks behind while the dirty day traders let them rot.

So why anybody don't buy them when they are cheap like daytraders do? :P

If they are U21 NT prospects so it's your scout's role to find people that will keep looking after your best young players. Simple.

So if there aren't enough people willing to train so what's the problem? If you want to train good player and you have appropriate amount of money I'm sure you will manage to buy one. Daytraders bought only the cheap one. They have the limit of price that can be called reasonable.

But did you read the part where I say I have nothing against this ?.

Yeah sure, I don't trying to convince you,
I just saying what I'm thinking and I agree about those groups of buyers ;)

I just don't get it why there are still people that wanna to change system of transfering? With those current limitations it's quite good for me.

If they are U21 NT prospects so it's your scout's role to find people that will keep looking after your best young players. Simple.

India is not Poland we do not have infinite resources. What we do attempt is to save about 50 or more prospects a season from teams going bot, basically any player $4k or more with star potential can become an U21 NT player if trained properly. There is no way we can find 50 people a year willing to train these mediocre talents. All we can do is release them onto the market and hope.

As I said I am not against day traders, I have done it myself many times, it is in the rules, but I wish the rules made it a lot less profitable (1 month minimum contracts, at least 80% tax on anyone besides draft picks who have been on your team less than a season) so that I would not be encouraged to do it to compete.

But the day traders who deal in U21NT prospects and don't train them really cause trouble for small nations with few good players.