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From: Koperboy

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210034.9 in reply to 210034.1
Date: 2/13/2012 11:41:59 AM
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I'd train his HA first (either with one position HA or 1 on 1) and then go to his OD and PA to counter elastic effect.

But you probably won't be able to get OD and PA to desired levels in this season.

From: Kennedy

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210034.10 in reply to 210034.1
Date: 2/13/2012 1:38:21 PM
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1. I think it's great, but then I love defense. Train shooting at some point, but you can do that when he's 19 or 20.

2. Very, very doubtful. Let me share my own trainee, Dimas Conanan (for the record, I have had a level 5 trainer for him the whole time). DC started out with 7/7/7/6/5/3. I trained passing up 2 pops, then OD for the rest of the season and got it to 12. That's all I did (I got some cross-training HA/DR pops, but still on your goal I would have been short 3 passing pops). Even doing single-position passing and OD, there's no way you get 5 pops in each of those skills in only one season in my experience. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong which is very possible.

3. For the next few seasons and at your level, definitely. He can be a very good player even into D.III for certain. And if you get to a level where you need higher potential, you can sell him to a lower level team for a decent profit. I'd definitely hang on to him and train him.


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210034.11 in reply to 210034.10
Date: 2/13/2012 6:49:01 PM
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I think he should change training every 1-2 weeks in order to avoid negative influence of the elastic effect. Anyway, most guard skills have cross training between each other.

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210034.12 in reply to 210034.11
Date: 2/14/2012 12:35:04 AM
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I couldn't agree more, and you're right about the cross-training, but OD's cross-training pops are mostly in HA/DR, not PA, and in any case having trained both OD and passing for extended periods I can tell you that generally you're looking at about once every two weeks per pop. That two-week estimate seems consistent with just about every training diary I've read/heard of for an 18yo prospect. So no matter how you slice it, there's no way you get 5 OD pops + 5 passing pops = 10 total pops ≈ 20 weeks. Even if you get lucky and shave 5 weeks off that estimate, which is a quarter of the projected time, you still can't do it in a season. So that's why I said it's very very unlikely. The only time someone would train that fast is if you had a guy with like 20JR/20 passing (no such player exists, but let's just pretend for the sake of argument), in which case the elastic effect would bring it up super-quick, but for an 18yo the elastic effect can't possibly work strongly enough to shave a quarter of the time off that once every other week rate for 10 pops. Do you get what I'm saying?

I always feel I'm talking really repetitively in my posts, trying to articulate what I know in my head. So I apologize if I come across as incoherent or condescending; neither is intentional.

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210034.13 in reply to 210034.12
Date: 2/14/2012 1:19:41 AM
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Don't worry. I'm pretty much a newbie repeating what I read.

From: Fluff

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210034.14 in reply to 210034.1
Date: 2/15/2012 4:04:56 AM
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Id expect to get 10 pops this season especially if you mix in the passing with pressure one position. One or two of these could be side pops (not od or pa)
Od is very important it can help keep your trainee on the court longer getting minutes if he is outclassed.
Also he plays at pg when passing training so higher od is better while he is doing that.
If your team lacks passing in general then keep the gap, between od and passing small on your trainees.

Dont underestimate the importance of outside shooting skills on pgs,as when under pressure they jack up way more shots. Having said that with his potential you won't want to take js and especially jr up too much as the other outside skills wil be more valuable for the extra salary they cost.
I liked the look of the earlier guard posted.
Impressive with his high reb that he can get such high outside skills. But note the lowish jr makes this possible

Enjoy training him he has a good starting skill set and can be a great player for you :)

From: Cowman

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210034.15 in reply to 210034.1
Date: 2/15/2012 12:01:42 PM
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He is young and short so should train fast. He should be able to get 10-12 pops this season. Training pressure will give a pop every 1 and a half weeks, but it is finnicky. Try to gethis OD up to sensational at least. Sometimes you're lucky but not always. Training pressure is best at a young age. Also give a couple of weeks in JR as that is also a slow skill to train. Try to get it at least to proficient if not prominent. During the remainder of the season if you have time and for a large part of next season train up handling, passing and driving as well as an occassional jump shot. These train relatively fast so can be left till he is 19. By the age of 20 he should be a pretty good PG and then you can just polish and improve all his skills, especially JS.
If possible upgrade your trainer. It helps in the long run.