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From: yodabig
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Date: 8/20/2012 2:00:38 AM
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One other thing that screws new teams is that even if they start in the JBBL they will have a tiny arena and with prices already fixed so it may take 1/3 of a season to see the big profits. They will have a bad roster and get smashed every game so their merchandise will be poor. Only the TV money will be good but if they make any attempt to compete as you would assume a new player would then that will be gone in a flash and they will earn nothing.

They join, get beaten by 50 every game, can't make money if they have a roster even half as good as the others they see aound them, so what would they possibly do except quit? I asked this before when I was the U21 manager in India, new teams should be started in division III so they can achieve some success and enjoy the game instead of being annihilated in the top league from day one. Better income does not make up for a depressing game experience.

From: B.B.King

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223673.11 in reply to 223673.8
Date: 8/20/2012 5:10:34 AM
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No, You are wrong. It's 55 days, it's simply calculation. To build arena we need:

[(1x Bleachers + 1,5x Lower Tier + 2,5x Courtside Seats + 4x Luxury Boxes + 5) / 250] days (rounded up to integer)

If arena is built gradually then of course we need more time, however in this case incomes in first season will be higher than mentioned in previous posts.

And 16 weeks without salary floor means 11 weeks with arena revenues only in worst case (when new team is created just before play-offs). In typical case it means 13 arena revenues. However, in these 3-5 weeks without arena revenues, new team in 1st division should have Typical Weekly Net Income = 150-200k. So if we consider all these facts it means that new team in 1st division should have more than 4M, not 3M after 16 weeks. And few wins with bots in cup should give few dollars more, and new team still can sell players and make extra money. I think even 5M is possible after 16 weeks.

an another note~ my motivation is to have domestic competition. I WANT new teams to be able to challenge me in games as quick as possible.

New teams in small nations are competive much faster than in big countries. In whole history in my country only teams created in 3rd season won 1st division. With Your knowledge and with team created in 12th season You would play in IV division in my country. Meanwhile in Your country You can play in B3 only because Japan is micronation.

From: B.B.King

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223673.13 in reply to 223673.12
Date: 8/20/2012 8:17:14 AM
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No, you are wrong. Prove me that nobody had 3M...
For me is enough that this possibility exists, and it's not my problem that most of managers don't exploit this possibility.

From: Pewu

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223673.17 in reply to 223673.16
Date: 8/20/2012 9:04:25 AM
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The conclusion is
"Any other person who disagree with Wolph is just trolling, so please stop arguing and writing stupid posts. Just praise the lord and shout - MICRONATION ARE DISCRIMINATED!"

Man, once I show you that you were wrong with your conclusions and you call me "troll". The math is easy and calculator don't bite.

1st season in 2nd division in Japan (1st season in 1st division in Japan is already calculated by BBKing. The revenue is even high up to 4mln witout any trade):
Salary: 50k (after few releases from roster)
Staff: 20k (similar as in BBKing calculations)
Scouting: 10k

Arena: 131 500$ (in D2 you can easily set up maximum prices with basic arena)
Merchandise: 20k
TV: 120k?

After 1 season: (20+120-20-10)*14 + 131,5*11 (minimum league matches) - 50 * 12 ~ 2,4 mln $ + 0,3 mln for start + 0,2 mln (after 4 weeks bonus)

What about polish D5 (1st season):
Salary: 50k (after few releases from roster)
Staff: 20k (similar as in BBKing calculations)
Scouting: 10k

Arena: 60-70k
Merchandise: 15k
TV: 55k

After 1 season: (15+55-20-10)*14 + 70*11 (minimum league matches and really high income) - 50 * 12 ~ 80 k + 0,3 mln for start + 0,2 mln (after 4 weeks bonus)

The calculations are quit good if both teams don;t play PO. Do you see the difference now? If you still have problems, please tell me who is harder to beat:
Stunners (almost no transfers this season, but still play in PO in JBBL) or Odlewnictwo (DIII champion)/SFKrawężniki Elbląg (another DIII champion)?

Last edited by Pewu at 8/20/2012 9:11:34 AM

From: B.B.King

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223673.19 in reply to 223673.14
Date: 8/20/2012 9:50:22 AM
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Afaik it's probably your 1000th topic about discrimination of micro nations, so it's funny if you talk about whining.
Unfortunatelly math never lies. I always thought that math is the same in every country. Now I know that I was wrong.

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