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Too bad..
My friend have a U21 USA player.
He managed to have 72mins a week before the U21 World Championship.
However, the player's GS drop from 8 to 7. He missed the game and USA lost in final too....

Im getting 60-65 mins a week...Primarily for my starters and my back ups too. I have had a few that popped from respectable to profecient. I expect the others to eventually move up. Might be because of the age diffrence in my players....my 31 and older guys tend to take a little bit slower to get to 9 while my MVP's popped right up to 9 and they are in they're early to mid 20's.

I look at GS as the player's overall physical, mental, even spiritual shape for the week.

Even in real life, a coach or GM can do as much as they possibly can do for the team, and still some things can be "off" with a player.

Maybe the player caught a bit of a cold. Maybe the player had an uncle pass away. Maybe the player is suffering from a sudden lack of confidence.

The player isn't injured, but is not at 100% playing capability. It is just a game, and while randomness can be crushing (ie. affecting game outcomes, promotion, etc), it is definitely not boring and it forces you to come up with a different plan or course of action through some creativity.

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 12/21/2012 10:06:50 PM

On the other side, how many times do you go over 75 minutes and get a GS boost. Nobody ever posts about that as it is much easier to complain about something.

You can't just take 1 example and say, "Oh my god, my player got 65 mintues and went down in GS. WTF?"

I keep track of every players minutes and GS for every week since I've started. I don't have the data in front of me right now, but I know a large % of the time, I have nothing to complain about when proper minutes are given.

The times that I go over in minutes, I expect a penalty and again, a large % of the time I don't get away with it. But sometimes I do and get no drop or even an up.

If you give us some more data, example:

Player X played between 60-65 minutes/week 17 times over the past 3 seasons. 12 times he had a GS drop, 3 times he stayed the same, and 2 times he had a GS up. THEN you would have a case for GS randomness being too large.

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 12/22/2012 10:52:12 AM

It's still a rant with nothing new brought to the table. Care to explain what urged you to come here after yesterday update ? It might give us some facts to start with.

Proficient Gs is exceptional. There is no way to guarantee Proficient, it is by design.
Once you hit strong and after 3-4 weeks into the season, if you manage GS well, a player will keep a strong GS or above for the rest of the season 999 times out 1000. If the player drops to 7, it's likely his GS was mismanaged.
If your team is riddled with 7s, you are mismanaging GS.

But I know it's not your problem, you just have too high expectations and something you can't perfectly control to an inch square becomes a matter of luck more than anything else. I'd say it's a matter of perception. Not a reason to mislead newcomers or players seeking advices here with misperceptions. Gs is very manageable and most BBers can manage it.

On the other side, how many times do you go over 75 minutes and get a GS boost. Nobody ever posts about that as it is much easier to complain about something.

Had an injury this week and so I had a guard play 78 minutes and go up from 8 to 9. Maybe I should bring that up on the bugs forum? ;)

But as far as the topic goes, yes, GS does have a random component. But it's not entirely or even mostly random, else guys who are being played in the 80+ minute range routinely or who rarely appear on court would tend to have better GS than they do now and guys in the 50-70 range would likely tend to have worse than now.

Proficient Gs is exceptional. There is no way to guarantee Proficient, it is by design.
Once you hit strong and after 3-4 weeks into the season, if you manage GS well, a player will keep a strong GS or above for the rest of the season 999 times out 1000. If the player drops to 7, it's likely his GS was mismanaged.
If your team is riddled with 7s, you are mismanaging GS.

I agree with the majority of this, except 999 times out of 1000 is too high (at least for my team). It's closer to 900 times out of 1000.
In four seasons, I've only seen 1 player drop from 7 to 6 while playing in the sweet spot of 48-75 minutes.
Dropping from 8 to 7 while getting 48- 75 mins is not likely, but happens about 10% of the time.
Dropping from 9 to 8 happens about 25% of the time, even with well managed minutes.

Strangely, I've never seen a drop when a player gets exactly 48 minutes. Only holds steady or increases.