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235151.9 in reply to 235151.7
Date: 1/26/2013 3:11:02 PM
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wow.. i dont know but can i if train stamina or game shape does it help somewhat? with this kind of trainer

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Date: 1/26/2013 3:40:55 PM
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I've got a 36 year old with only 3 skill drops in 3 1/2 seasons! Without career extension!

How high are his skills?
I ask, because I know few 45-50 yo players, who hadn't even single drop during few seasons in row,
(It's nothing spectacular, because they have TSP=10...)
However it leads us to conclusion: lower skills - lower probability of drop and/or lower magnitude of drop if it occurs (I bet that second sentence is key). For example magnitude of drop = 5-15% of skill.
So it's possible that player with all skills below 3-5 has very little or even 0 visible drops during season.
In other hand, therefore is harder to keep without drop 33yo player, who has few skills above 15.

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235151.11 in reply to 235151.10
Date: 1/26/2013 4:48:46 PM
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I agree. Skill drops to age must be similar to enthusiasm drops: higher you are, faster you fall.
Skill 18>17 faster than 17>16 faster than 16>15 etc

If you remember me, then I don't care if everyone else forgets.
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235151.12 in reply to 235151.10
Date: 1/26/2013 5:32:20 PM
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I've got a 36 year old with only 3 skill drops in 3 1/2 seasons! Without career extension!

How high are his skills?
I ask, because I know few 45-50 yo players, who hadn't even single drop during few seasons in row,
(It's nothing spectacular, because they have TSP=10...)

The 36 year old has TSP of around 55 (not counting stamina/FT). Not a great player, but certainly enough left to drop... The 34 year old didn't have very high skills either. (none even close to 15... most skills around 10 i think)

In other hand, therefore is harder to keep without drop 33yo player, who has few skills above 15.

Maybe. But I've had a few 33 year olds with very high skills and no drops. And no major changes in DMI.

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235151.13 in reply to 235151.11
Date: 1/26/2013 5:35:47 PM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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Skill drops to age must be similar to enthusiasm drops: higher you are, faster you fall.

But whether you fall or not is completely random on any given week? & It's clear that players aren't constantly losing a set % of their skills each week.

Anyway, the real question I had is if Career Extension is a waste. Anecdotally it appears to do little if anything. The Fitness & Massage specialties at least seem to make a tangible difference each week.

(some people without career extension get better results than with career extension. While it's doubtful that anyone without fitness or massage gets better results than anyone with fitness or massage.)

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235151.14 in reply to 235151.1
Date: 1/26/2013 5:55:47 PM
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With career extension I've had a 36yo with 5 skill drops in two weeks. Same two weeks period I had 4 drops on 3 players 33, 33, and 34 for 9 drops across 4 players in 2 weeks.

I still think career extension works. If the affect is even as high as like 20% it would still be almost indistinguishable from not having it to most people because of variance and flawed human perception.

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235151.15 in reply to 235151.14
Date: 1/26/2013 9:59:50 PM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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Perhaps. But with drops being random, it's difficult to estimate how often it triggers. (20% seems way too high IMO).

Even assuming a 10-20% chance... it's entirely possible to never benefit once over an entire season! While you're at least guaranteed something with the other trainer specialty.

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235151.16 in reply to 235151.14
Date: 1/26/2013 10:09:16 PM
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i had a player last season within 1 month he had a double drop in skill in 2 areas, he was 34 ,i had a career extention trainer.
my trainer was dismissed because the trainer failed, it's all random here, i went to a message trainer, quite satisfied with this. but i'm the shleprock here not this guy.
when you have 6 of your top 8 players injured at the same time at the worst possible time of the season........ you can have my title

Last edited by BarryS at 1/26/2013 10:11:00 PM

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235151.18 in reply to 235151.3
Date: 1/27/2013 1:48:20 AM
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I kinda disagree that there's "zero consistent effect" with Taping Injuries...
Again, with this type of specialty it's very difficult to have any kind of accurate or quantifiable measure, but suffice to say I'm very happy to have a TI guy on my staff.

Last edited by malice at 1/27/2013 1:50:05 AM

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