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238678.9 in reply to 238678.8
Date: 3/12/2013 11:02:30 PM
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I voted no. I think moving the deadline up 1 or 2 weeks would have been more effective.

Now when I trade up my roster for a new division, the players I buy will not be effective for 1, maybe 2, maybe even 3 weeks. GS was a biznitch before and will be even more-so now.

Also, good point on the NTs. So selling a key player for club team will result in dropping GS from 9>7 before an important NT game? Needless.

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 3/12/2013 11:04:50 PM

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238678.10 in reply to 238678.9
Date: 3/12/2013 11:19:32 PM
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I'm a big fan of this move. It is annoying and unrealistic every year to have all playoff teams rent a player for the post season and then sell him back if they don't promote. At least this will give them 2-3 weeks of subpar game shape to help counter effect that phenomenon in addition to the increased wages and potential sales loss (which usually wasn't the case).

This game has always and should continue to reward long term planning and rental players are counter-intuitive, imo.

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238678.11 in reply to 238678.10
Date: 3/13/2013 3:03:00 AM
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I don't like it. This looks like one of those inconsiderate changes out of the blue, that will have to be adjusted a couple of times and never work properly.

You semi-fix one problem and create a handful of new ones, that's not how it should be. NTs can be sabotaged, promoted teams are under high pressure to buy players as soon as possible, or they might fall behind in GS, replacing an injured player becomes somewhat useless...

No change would have been better than this, you want to fix the cup and at the same time you changed the whole game. How unnecessary is that?

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238678.12 in reply to 238678.11
Date: 3/13/2013 3:31:28 AM
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I don't like it, too. Why not make a change in schedule, so that the Cup quarter finals take place in the same week all over the world. This way you could implement a Cup game deadline a day before quarter finals. Players bought after the deadline will be able to play in league games of course.

I know there will be people claiming that then they won't have the possibility to TIE three games before BBB games.

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238678.13 in reply to 238678.11
Date: 3/13/2013 3:40:41 AM
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Bid history is a very nice addition.

As for the GS loss as an U21 manager I don't like the idea. Smaller countries or countries with not so organized national programs will get hit hard with this kind of move.

But looking at it from the league it is a good idea to have team chemistry in the mix. So I voted yes.

From: Tuddu

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238678.14 in reply to 238678.7
Date: 3/13/2013 4:59:49 AM
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It's not random. If you buy a player expect the GS to drop. If you plan to rent a player you still can, but the cost-benefit balance becomes, at least slightly, less attractive.


My issue was about national teams. and yes, it's randomic because nt coach ignores when his players could be sold by their owners.

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238678.15 in reply to 238678.5
Date: 3/13/2013 7:00:31 AM
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I would like to know how it affects National Team. If my players got sold they would have bad gameshape for the next two games, isn't it?

Honestly this is a good point.
I understand the malus for the transfer from one team to another, but why does it have to affect NTs at all?
There could have been other solutions, for example a team enthusiasm drop, that wouldn't affect NTs.

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238678.16 in reply to 238678.15
Date: 3/13/2013 7:11:02 AM
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Managers, who are affected by "rent-a-player" teams either in cup, playoffs or relegation matches, are IMO much more important than NTs. BBs probably calculated the NT collateral damage and decided it's worth it.

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238678.17 in reply to 238678.16
Date: 3/13/2013 7:28:11 AM
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So, why didn't they decide for a drop in enthusiasm? There is no collateral damage.

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238678.18 in reply to 238678.17
Date: 3/13/2013 7:39:28 AM
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Enthusiasm affects the whole team. Maybe it makes sense...whole team's chemistry "suffers" for next game or two.

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238678.19 in reply to 238678.16
Date: 3/13/2013 7:46:57 AM
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Managers, who are affected by "rent-a-player" teams either in cup, playoffs or relegation matches, are IMO much more important than NTs. BBs probably calculated the NT collateral damage and decided it's worth it.


My forecast: nt coaches will threaten NT players' owners if they think about selling players.

and that's another element which makes conflictual nt interest with club interest.

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