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I don't understand :-\
If I choose inside isolation, is because I want people to shoot in the paint, right? So what I expect is that big men (better at shooting inside) will shoot most of the shots, right? Instead even little men shoot a lot, even more than big men... that's something I don't get.

It make perfect sense. Inside isolation is basically throwing the ball to your best inside shooter and waiting for him to create his own shot. And typically, big men aren't exactly overflowing with driving and handling, so when they get the ball in a non-prime shooting position, they won't be able to drive past their guy to get a good shot so they'll either launch a bad shot, pass the bal off, or turn it over.

Well, the ISO usually says where you isolate your guy. If you want your Guard to take inside shots, you usually don´t set him up at the low post or at the base line, because he doesn´t have the space to move around nor to pick up speed there. So you´d rarely see a Guard doing inside shots when you isolate him INSIDE.

If you want to get your guard driving, then you usually set him up in an outside isolation, where he can either move around or drive by his defender with speed or shoot if the defender gives a step too much room.

That's just it, I'm not talking about guards driving, I'm talking about guards and their inside shot. You rarely see it because there isn't an offense that focuses on it. And I think there should be, especially since there are offenses that focus on big guy's jump shots.

If you can run something like patient that exploits opposing big men's OD because your big's JS, you should be able to exploit opposing guard's inside defense with your guard's inside shot.

I don't understand :-\
If I choose inside isolation, is because I want people to shoot in the paint, right? So what I expect is that big men (better at shooting inside) will shoot most of the shots, right? Instead even little men shoot a lot, even more than big men... that's something I don't get.

It make perfect sense. Inside isolation is basically throwing the ball to your best inside shooter and waiting for him to create his own shot. And typically, big men aren't exactly overflowing with driving and handling, so when they get the ball in a non-prime shooting position, they won't be able to drive past their guy to get a good shot so they'll either launch a bad shot, pass the bal off, or turn it over.

Ok, so what if I have a PG with 10 IS (which I have)? Why doesn't he receive the ball in the paint or take position in low post, trying to exploit a mismatch? The point is: I expect someone (whoever he is) to be ISOLATED for an inside shot. I expect big men to be isolated the most, and it's not happening apparently. I expect even PGs/SGs to be isolated below... but apparently even this doesn't really happen. I do understand that not every possess can be turned into an inside isolation, but seriously... 15/20 threes? 6mt jump shots? I don't know... I need to play this more (or see this played) because it doesn't seem right to me.

Have you never heard of the LI offence????
LOL

No! Maybe I'll try that.

Ugh.

Last season I was strictly a LI team. My starting PG and SG combined for 258 shots. Only 22% of which were inside shots, with 45% being either jump shots or 3's.

Look Inside does not focus on guard's IS.

Maybe it does more than motion or RNG, or maybe even neutral offenses, but not like what I'm talking about.

A lot of what you wrote are good points. I disagree with plenty (guards posting up more than 1-2 times a game being unrealistic as an example) and was never talking about the guards posting up against the opposing bigs (even though the BBs have made it clear that height only changes training speed, and has no effect in the GE). Admittedly, a good zone could stop this offense pretty easily, the same way a good 3-2 can stop patient.

But, your points about the unrealistic salary are valid and I would be on board for your idea in #4.

I still think this is a tactic that would be welcomed and could have a place without making it unrealistic, but thanks for at least not responding with a sarcastic question you knew the answer to..

Ok, so what if I have a PG with 10 IS (which I have)? Why doesn't he receive the ball in the paint or take position in low post, trying to exploit a mismatch? The point is: I expect someone (whoever he is) to be ISOLATED for an inside shot. I expect big men to be isolated the most, and it's not happening apparently. I expect even PGs/SGs to be isolated below... but apparently even this doesn't really happen. I do understand that not every possess can be turned into an inside isolation, but seriously... 15/20 threes? 6mt jump shots? I don't know... I need to play this more (or see this played) because it doesn't seem right to me.

Because that's not what the isolation offenses are about. If anything, I imagine he'd have a better shot at getting inside shots in a low post offense (though I've only got anecdotal evidence so I won't claim that for certain). But the isolation in general and inside isolation in particular, as defined in the manual:

Isolation offenses: The team will try to find their best offensive player and clear out an area for him to create his own shot. There are two types of isolation offenses:

Inside Isolation: Your team finds their best inside scorer. Normal Pace.

So I imagine what is happening is that one of your big men with greater IS is getting dumped the ball and then he's expected to create his own offense, or, failing that, dumps it back out for a desperation shot. I ran it a couple of times several seasons ago with a center who had decent handling and passing (respectable for both) but atrocious driving. It didn't seem to be very effective at all. Ran it once last season in a PL game without any real inside scoring bigs (my trainee was playing C probably was at 9 IS, my SF at the time was at 8, and had some sprinkled in on the guards) but the trainee had driving as well as better handling and passing. It was moderately successful - still didn't see the assist totals from the C as I expected but it was a single game.

In any case, if you want the ball to be dumped down low, you probably want low post. If you want guards trying to drive it down low and dish it to your inside guys or shoot themselves, you use LI. If you want to get it to a single guy who can create shots on his own, you use the isolation.

I've come to believe that maybe inside isolation is what he's looking for.

I do think that its game manual description is "half true". Meaning that it will look for the best inside scorer, but NOT as in straight IS rating of an individual player, but mainly as "offensive player's IS vs defensive player's ID" ratio, for all the match ups on the floor.

For instance, if my C has 10 IS and is stuck up against an opponent that is 13 ID, but at the same time my PG is 7 IS defended by a 1 ID counterpart, its very likely that PG will end up taking more of the (close range)shots.

Take a look at this game:

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Visiting team (A) costs less than home team's (B) starting Center(71k).
Team A decides to play inside isolation! Their C is their most expensive player, but only 12k salary.
Team A ends up winning(indifferent), with starting PG and backup PG being 1-2 in most attempted 2pt shots, followed by SG and C that had the same.
At the viewer we also see that 50% of ther made 2p shots were scored in the paint.