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Thank you for the precisions

I wouldn't say HA is useless but almost. The skill that matters is PA.

Had a player with 1 DR and 1 HA and he had more assists than turnovers and scored more efficiently than high DR players. Also you routinely see players with 20 HA turning the ball over. The only real reason you need HA is to make outside skill training faster.

The guard I mentioned was this guy (28622847). I don't remember his skills but his PA was elite and his HA and OD were forgettable. You can see his Ast/TO ratio in his career especially before he started dropping.

HA training has to be the worst possible training available. At the very least they should change it to train PA instead of DR as a secondary, because as currently set it won't allow you to keep DR low.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/4/2018 5:50:19 AM

I want to add that both those players are likely to be salary efficient.

The PG definitely should be, like any big built that way. The SF will also be provided that RB and other outside skills are kept under control.

His offensive skills weren't great either as far as I remember. I always thought he overachieved given his skills.

Widerström is kind of unique player. I like him very much.

His skills were: JS 10 - JR 9 - OD 6 - HA 14 - DR 14 - PA 19/20 - IS 8 - ID 17 - RB 16 - SB 17

But he was hard to play. I used him as a C who could defend and rebound. His passing was the highest on the team at that time. In season 33 I tried another approach: (36284). i set him as a SG in LI and switched his defense to C. The result was jawdropping ;) A TD with 17 points, 15 rebounds and 20 assists. I tried this several times more, but the results ware never again this outstanding.

I saw (and build) several defense types. But until now I didn't find the perfect one. There is always a downside. Take Widerström, he had no OD. Haek had no RB and his offense game was also very limited. My current trainee hasn't the level of OD and PA like Haek had, but his offense skills are great. Somehow you end up always with at least one or two neglected skills. For seasons it was SB and JR for the standard players. Manon's Hammarstrand is a fantastic inside defender and playmaker (for a big), but he has also his downsides.
Maybe a manager with a all time great trainee and a lv 7 coach could build a player with offense and defense...

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 5/4/2018 4:19:54 PM

My boy (38258127) is coming. Not a scorer, but he does not take that much shots either. OD+ID+SB now 56 so you can also use him to stop opponents top scorer m2m. But I like to play 3-2 and he's D position is C or PF. Still time to improve a lot.