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i feel sorry for you that you cant accept the facts.

you are the one that wants to argue. and i am not going too. i have seen allstar potential players that play for the NT.but this is a big exception to the rule. rule for most NT is super star potential for guards and better for bigs. does this mean there is nowhere an exception to the rule to be found? no!!! if the player is superbly trained he can make the NT with any level off potential. you can train players once he has reached his cap too. they just train slower. that player that you are showing is trained beyond his cap. if you want to do that, go ahead and if you train him well, he might play one day. if you want to train him once he is capped (which means he pops very slow, go ahead), but I am not going explain how this game works, talk about every exception to the rule etc and argue about it because you are bored.

i dont see where i am bullying you by saying train him well and he might make it into the NT. is it likely, he will play for the NT. in my opinion not. more there doesnt need to be sad. and if you dont like that, fine, call me a bully, that isnt my problem.

Hi guys. It's been few time since i signed up, and am always interested in English NT teams of online managers, and the main problem i see here is that those very few English users working on the team row in different directions.

Ive read we are not a first class NT team, so that is why we are focusing players to be specialist in one tactic. That is positive I think, at least until we have something else to vary in tactics (in some seasons). I hope some day Ill be able to help the NT, but in the meantime I agree with Astragoth we as a country should keep our best players, or at least let them in good hands.

Anyway, the key point is to row together, that is much more important then '3 or more OD needed in PF' discussion.

first off all thank you for sharing your opinion.

secondly, it seems that you do understand the message that i am trying to get across.

and thirdly you do seem to understand that this is a long term plan. good players dont start today and it is impossible to say what a good player would look like in 4 seasons time. for a NT coach it is impossible to say, train a player this and this way and he will play. who knows who else is being trained where? I can give indicators to what we need. And one off these indicators is potential for the player. but i cant, dont want too and wont discuss every exception. why not? because in buzzerbeater there are 1000 roads to rome, there are 50000 coaches who all know better. where do we start? I took the responsibility upon me to lead the NT and I was given the responsibility. If someone thinks they can do a better job, they should run for the next NT coach position and do a better job. and if the community believes this person is a better coach, and he wins the election, than he will get my blessing and I will support him as much as I can.

I do want to add one thing. Some people and 1 person in particular believes that we arent communicating because we arent posting on the forums. we dont have a plan or goals for the NT because we dont post them on the forums. we are communicating as a team using other tools. I can assure you that. And we have never been in a stronger position before, thanks to the hard work off the U21 staff and Enrico, the NT scout. I got another request from someone that wanted to help me and work kept me from contacting him. I will do so tomorrow and involve him too. For tactical reasons I wont discuss things on these forums. If anyone wants to talk about the NT and our plans feel free to drop me an email and we can chat on the "closed" forums, or on skype or msn etc.

I will continue the way I have until now and if people are unahppy with me, and the rest off the NT and U21 setup, they are free to press the button to show you are unhappy and you are more than welcome to run against me next election or vote for another candidate next election.

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/4/2011 12:47:40 PM

i havent got access to my notes but is the cap for superstar in the region of 130k? (+/-)

also i got the bbstats forum set up for us again couple months back.

initially i wanted to just get all nt +u21 england staff on as if they cant make it work/post interesting stuff then there isnt much pouint extending some areas to all english managers!

got quite a few of the u21 staff signed up and on, but it didnt work out as neither the u21 coach or the previous nt coach signed up and joined in.

however with astra at the nt helm, and recent success recruiting motivated managers, perhaps we could try to resurrect this?
we could be more open about discussions on there amongst other things...

My understanding is that is around 120-130k. Maybe a bit higher for big men than for guards. In any case, a well-rounded player with a salary over 120k is a monster.

as far as i know it is lower than 120-130k. i will have a look tomorrow if the imaginable player you posted is within the limits. the salary calculator is more or less obsolete. people now go with an index table these days. will post that one here tomorrow too.

In any case, a well-rounded player with a salary over 120k is a monster.

how many times are you going to repeat that? look at our opponents that are in top 30-40 and tell me how many bigs they have on their team with 130k salary... i dont need to see the few exception because off course there are some. but the good teams have way higher salaries, especially for their starters.

more i am not going to say with regards this subject. cause there is no point.

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/4/2011 2:59:18 PM

i am happy to discuss things in a normal and logical way.

but dont forget, i will not explain and discuss every single player and every single discussion i made. especially not when people are comapring apples with bananas and when they are argeuing for the sake off it and look for and show the only exception in this game.

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/4/2011 2:58:21 PM

It's possible that a Superstar potential player can still be part of the NT roster in a few seasons time, but they are unlikely to start. I would rather hope we have moved on from that state where our big men are dominated by Superstar potential guys.

That said, I have one who may be good enough, we'll see.

Just wanted to say that salary is kind of an outdated way to look at the potential cap, if you want an idea of what skills you could aim for try plugging some different sets into Josefka's formulas. http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thr...

thats what i said. will post tomorrow a link to an excel sheet that will give you a better calculation based on the formula you mention than the old salary calculator...

thanks. that is interesting and helpful.
My target seems to be at the low end of the range for Superstar (which is good because sublevels are unknown):
4.16
0.54
0.63
0.4
0.36
0.18
4.8
5.6
6
1.75
=24.42