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141161.90 in reply to 141161.89
Date: 1/3/2021 8:26:51 AM
Szepiz Playground
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Hi,

It's anecdotal, but more SB may lead to more fouling: while more ID will typically force worse shots (farther from the basket, more difficult type of shots), more SB will attempt to stop the shot after distance/type of shot etc. Is determined


Is this proven? Is there a tangible data to state this?
I`m asking because I see a huge and still growing tendency nowadays to get more SB also more and more team and trying to make the set up for the 3-2 zone.
So it would be very useful and strong information to really deep dive to understand this potential foul problem.
Sz.

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141161.91 in reply to 141161.90
Date: 1/3/2021 2:02:24 PM
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I'm too lazy to look for it, but that's what I inferred from the explanation BBs provided when they were trying to convince us SB was an important underused skill; it is to contest more shots even if it doesn't show up as blocks. I've seen it in my players as well that when I move from man-to-man to 3-2 zone, my shot blockers are far more prone to fouling because they are contesting more shots.

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Date: 1/3/2021 2:30:23 PM
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Okay, fair enough.
Cheers,
Sz.

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141161.93 in reply to 141161.90
Date: 1/4/2021 5:53:08 AM
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Yes and no.
If your player is foul prone, he will start fouling more. And at some point (SB equal IS) there will be more fouls. As soon as your SB gets higher, the fouls will go down again.
Lemonshine and I had the first real SB defense monsters in BB. I habe still a lot of data from that time. If you are interessted, I can look it up.

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141161.94 in reply to 141161.93
Date: 1/4/2021 6:39:33 AM
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Would be awesome if you could send me somehow.

Also when you say SB = IS, you mean the offensive player IS against my defensive player SB right?
Sz.

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Date: 1/4/2021 12:30:19 PM
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My guy always fouled significantly, but I wouldn't say it was at the end of the spectrum like some guys who get several flagrants in a season or regularly foul out. Increasing the skills will make it a little better, however my guy also played against D1 competition the majority of his career and, against better competition and better offensive teams, the problems will resurface. Even against the same competition, it's not like the player will go from 3 Fouls/36 to 1. In my player's case however, he was the only one with high SB in the team and guarding the best big on the opponent's team, so my experience might be a little different compared to Nachtmahr's, Manon's, CaptainTeemo's and others who had teams built with SB in both big men slots.

I will say 2 things though:

1) ST might be the single best way to reduce fouls. Not just for high SB players, but in general. The problem with foul prone players are not (or not just) the shooting fouls, but the offensive fouls (which are also turnovers) and regular fouls. Offensive fouls are about as bad as shooting fouls (what's worse depends on FG% and FT%), but regular fouls can also be a problem as they put the other team in the bonus and may foul out your player. ST (and HA+PA) will help minimise at least that.

2) Aggressive players have a clear trade-off: more fouls on defense and more trips to the line on offense. However, because the IS of high SB players is typically lower and their shooting efficiency not that good, you would typically try to build them so that they take fewer shots (so relatively low DR, controlled JS and high PA). Therefore, assuming you punt IS, an aggressive player is not well suited for SB also because you cannot take full advantage on offense, not just the fouls on defense. He'd be better off being the primary or secondary option on offense.
All of this obviously has implications on how you train the player as you will want to limit is FGA per game. Training HA instead of 1v1, as Nachtmahr did for Haek, might be a very good idea indeed in this respect.
Keeping DR in check might also have implications on Offensive Rebounding, since it's unclear if ORs are impacted by HA or DR (typically players who have high HA also have high DR, but it stands to reason it's DR), but I don't want to enter into this discussion here.

All of these points do not take into account the recent GE changes. It might well be that players like Jagermeister who had very nice outside shooting skills and elite defensive skills, including high SB, could benefit substantially from the new changes offensively.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/4/2021 12:42:03 PM