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I don't really have a preference regarding this matter. I could work with either PD, PF or PA as the second parameter to decide on ties. PD seems to be most generally used one across different sports, so there would be nothing wrong about using this. Though, if we would like to follow another path, then I would be up to reward the best defense in these situations too!

the same as Demars, I prefer his proposal rather than only using point difference

PA (in my mind) was for Points Differential (sorry for the mistake !)

No worries, thanks for correction.

the same as Demars, I prefer his proposal rather than only using point difference

I see. It's good to have a layer of comparison methods that step in a place if needed, and preferably have order of them pre-determined.
Yes, it's unlikely 2 teams wouid have same point differential, but it could theoretically happen, especially in a relatively even league like HGL (at least even between teams fighting for same positions).

I don't really have a preference regarding this matter. I could work with either PD, PF or PA as the second parameter to decide on ties. PD seems to be most generally used one across different sports, so there would be nothing wrong about using this. Though, if we would like to follow another path, then I would be up to reward the best defense in these situations too!

Thanks for your opinion, LennuK., and I'm glad to hear you´re open to different ways of handling this situation!
Yes, PD is mostly used around real leagues in my experience/understanding as well. And what's one positive side of it, current way of handling things (league table calculations) do give a direct indication of this without making any additional calculations.
(Yes, if the team stats would be made available on a regular basis, that would also "automatically" provide us PA and PF valiues, but for instance now I'm running late in creating such stats, so PD is something that's already always "automatically" available).

Hi,

by virtual table I meant that you only consider games between tied teams and make small table with few games between them.
I am not sure if its fair.
We have a lot of games and maybe every +/- should count etc.

ED proposal seems fine.
ED likes offensive points, Wagner likes defensive points, I am rather def type but both are ok.

I checked that official rules promote offensive points like ED said so maybve we can stick to that.......

Hi,

by virtual table I meant that you only consider games between tied teams and make small table with few games between them.
I am not sure if its fair.
We have a lot of games and maybe every +/- should count etc.

ED proposal seems fine.
ED likes offensive points, Wagner likes defensive points, I am rather def type but both are ok.

I checked that official rules promote offensive points like ED said so maybve we can stick to that.......

Hey all, a very minor change to my team sees a player (55180719) leaving my team, which modifies my top-8 statistics to 387K $ top-8 salary (from 391K $) and an avg age of 23,0 y (from 23,6 y).

Hey all, a very minor change to my team sees a player (55180719) leaving my team, which modifies my top-8 statistics to 387K $ top-8 salary (from 391K $) and an avg age of 23,0 y (from 23,6 y).

Thank you for letting us know. Now that I've compiled Season 2 and Season 3 transfers of HGL teams, it has partly caught me by surprise how many of them there have been.
I'll publish a listing of them as a separate Transfer post (due to amount and character limitation) quite soon.
I'll also likely send you couple of BBMails to verify whether or not I have to edit Season 3 beginning top8-salaries (as I'd prefer to use start of the season as a moment to determine
A) whether or not transfer has occurred on current or previous season
B) top8-salaries of teams at the start of the season

also because that's the ultimate deadline, when you have to have a 100%HG roster.
In other words, the situation on Season 3 on October 20th, 2025.

And maybe it's also good to have some clear deadline for the future, that we can rely on/use.

If one does calculations of top8 salaries (other than me), it's fine if they're not available at the very start of the season, as as a tradeoff we can then avoid these sort of "off season trades affect top8-numbers, but in where should we draw the line in terms of when it's a transfer that's occurred on new season?"-kind of situations.

Last edited by Wagner at 11/25/2025 9:54:09 AM

Sure, if we agree to have the day of the first HGL game (Monday after the first regular league game) as the ultimate deadline, then I will do the same calculations from Season 4 accordingly to make sure that the top-8 salaries of respective seasons don't have to be adjusted mid-season.

Feel free to let me know if you want me to recalculate the top-8 statistics for other teams apart from FRE for this season, where transfers were done between October 15th and October 20th. I can then also try to recreate the teams for affected teams on October 20th and provide the corrected data.

Hi,

by virtual table I meant that you only consider games between tied teams and make small table with few games between them.
I am not sure if its fair.
We have a lot of games and maybe every +/- should count etc.

ED proposal seems fine.
ED likes offensive points, Wagner likes defensive points, I am rather def type but both are ok.

I checked that official rules promote offensive points like ED said so maybve we can stick to that.......

Thanks for your explanation Paul George.. That's something that I'm not very familiar with, but virtual table seems like an interesting (and possibly good) way to handle such situation.

Using only virtual table in comparison would go with the same spirit as "having won our Regular Season meeting get the better position", while simply referring to +/- is more generalized way of ranking teams.
That's not to say it would be worse way, though, as it does have it's strong points as you pointed out.

As for fairness, no system ever satisfies all needs/wishes... And I get/understand what you mean by that. It is within the core spirit of HGL that everyone should meet everyone during regular season (and within your sensible reasoning, all that should probably count).

On the other hand, it is exactly these teams that are being compared (with even record), and their performance against each other is what is being scrutinized here in a virtual table example, so in that sense it could be thought of being even more fair (and it is in the line with the current rule that you first try to rate teams based on game results between their closest combatants with the same record, instead of rating them by all games +/-), as it is taking a look at point differential of those exact games that these (3) teams have been playing against each other.
It's also easier/quicker to count points within a virtual table only, but that's only a minor thing/point: more important is to reach optimal decision.

Having said that, it might be the easiest (and still fair) way to utilize Regular Season +/- point differential (PD) as a first comparison method in a 3-way tie, and also after that apply different comparison layers if needed.

Examples/options:

Example 1.
If +/- tied between 3 teams during whole Regular Season, which is extremely unlikely, then we'd proceed to either more scored or less allowed points-comparison. (In this example of course, this so called virtual table would not be utilized at all.)
If no tie in +/- (and teams would've won each other so that ranking order couldn't be directly determined, in other words one of those 3 teams hasn't lost to those other two teams), then teams would be put into a ranking order based on whole Regular Season +/- scoring differential ("RS +/- PD").

Note though that if 3 teams would be tied (in regular season win-loss record) and "only" 2 out of 3 of those teams would be tied in RS +/- PD, then one option could be that we could reduce the number of comparable teams to 2 by dropping worst team in +/- of whole RS to lowest of those 3 positions, and apply a normal comparison method (winning RS match of the season between these teams) to rest of compared 2 teams, and that would solve the problem.


Example 2.
Other option would be to utilize virtual table in the case of "3 way tie in whole RS +/- situation" (should +/- point differential of RS to be used as a most important comparison method in 3-way tied record-situations, instead of virtual table in first place), in which +/- scoring differential of those matches only (2 matches per team) would be the determining factor (and then either PA or PS).



I'm also saying these to underline the point, that no selection is ever perfect/will satisfy everyone 100%. :) Luckily, this isn't one of the absolutely critical decisions anyway, but it's something that's best to be agreed beforehand to avoid "on the fly"-decisions.

Last edited by Wagner at 11/25/2025 11:37:00 AM