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262742.91 in reply to 262742.89
Date: 11/12/2014 11:57:13 AM
Durham Wasps
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Sunderland Boilermakers
I check FT attempted/48 for that, I never check just fouls/48.

I had a quite high fouling count last season and at the beginning of this season and our NT manager had probably the highest in all D2 (and he used to have a guy with 12 fouls/48 rate, although he doesn't have him anymore). It seems like in the last 2-3 weeks the number of fouls has subsided substantially for both of us. Probably it's just random, but maybe there is some reason behind it (GS link to stamina?).

I think this is the player you mean: (23415818)
This is the game I often reference in chat: (62733008) In 7 minutes of play he managed to commit two flagrant fouls and was ejected.
Despite this he worked well for me. I have no problem with aggression. Its a pain when it's a trainee but you work around it. Or sell him.
The reason my team are committing less fouls is more to do with the turnover of players this last offseason, than any game related change.

From: minde

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262742.92 in reply to 262742.90
Date: 11/12/2014 1:52:42 PM
No Good News
II.1
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Backyard Brawlers
What about ID? It has no impact on fouling?

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262742.95 in reply to 262742.92
Date: 11/12/2014 4:35:10 PM
white snake
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Black Forest Boars
I don't know for sure. ID makes it harder to find a shooting spot inside the paint (and maybe close around it). But the main problem is: how exactly works a steal attempt inside the paint? Only OD, even for bigs? A combination of OD and ID and OD is more important? Or is ID more important? I would go with OD>>ID. The reason is that I have two bigs with similar ID and SB. One of them has OD 1 and the other one a lot more. And the one with more OD gets a lot of more steals. So even if ID is necessary, it has a really small influence.

ID has no direct influence on shooting fouls. It decreases the possible fg% and when the opponent goes for the shot SB kicks in and the shooting foul calculation starts.

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262742.96 in reply to 262742.94
Date: 11/12/2014 4:50:50 PM
white snake
II.1
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The numbers are an average of my whole BB time. The increase to 290 blks/season was with a 3-2 zone.

About your second question: how can SB 10 stop IS16? It makes no difference if it was before or after the SB change. Your SB will have only a little effect. About the effectiveness. My two guys who played at PF and C had strong numbers. 35% SB success and they kept their opponents to 5%-25% fg. So around 40% - 50% of all their defended shots were a miss without a block. This shows me that SB is very important even if you don't see any blocks in the boxscore. If you want to know more mail me. I can show you a lot of data ;-)

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262742.97 in reply to 262742.90
Date: 11/12/2014 4:53:39 PM
Infested Warriors
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2) offense foul
High driving with low handling. Also some players are more aggressive than others and have 1-2 offense fouls per game.


This is interesting. Can you go deeper in this one?.
I've been here (in the dark) for a while (maybe since S7-9 in globa forums) and I think I've missed when BB stated that. Or it's based on your research?

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262742.98 in reply to 262742.91
Date: 11/12/2014 7:27:18 PM
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No this is not the guy. Maybe he wasn't yours, but he definitely had on average 12 fouls/48. In any case yes, I doubt it's anything more than a coincidence.

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262742.99 in reply to 262742.95
Date: 11/12/2014 7:35:06 PM
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If both you and Wolph are correct, then for man defense SB is key, but in keeping the opponents away from the paint and in lowering the opponent open inside shots FG% ID (or team ID) is king. If that's the case, the more flow the opponent has, the more OD and ID are important compared to SB?

From: minde

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262742.101 in reply to 262742.100
Date: 11/13/2014 3:35:14 AM
No Good News
II.1
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Backyard Brawlers
So, in this thread the ID is the skill as the SB is in the other ones.. like least important.. So what if we tank on ID instead of IS? I mean, you usually say lets tank on IS and save money, so maybe lets save less and tank on ID? And defend 1-1 to minimise the open shots, as the OD and SB skills are for personal defence.. With such skillset we could play inside and outside tactics without worrying about GDP.. but.. 1-1 wouldn't let to increase the open shots for opponent, would it? If it would, he could hit like 90% of them with low team ID rating..
And another problem would be the training, as the ID is secondary skill for IS, RB and SB..

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