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191779.92 in reply to 191779.88
Date: 7/27/2011 5:15:42 PM
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What can I say, I like new training system very much because I'm trying to train as verstaile players as possible.

If we could chose the secondary skill to train,I would like cross-training too

But in this way,it adds only random to the game.Do you prefer to have a pop in IS or Sb for a guard?Do you prefer to have a pop in OD or in SB for a big man?

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191779.93 in reply to 191779.29
Date: 7/27/2011 5:15:52 PM
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If you learn how to drive, you learn how to avoid being blocked.
Now when you try blocking someone driving, you know one more trick he can use to avoid your block, so you've become a better shotblocker.

"Air is beautiful, yet you cannot see it. It's soft, yet you cannot touch it. Air is a little like my brain." - Jean-Claude Van Damme
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191779.94 in reply to 191779.84
Date: 7/27/2011 5:17:54 PM
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I will give you a funny example: Do you remember Karate Kid? "Togli la cera, etc..."? And the kid learned new "skill"?

Why did I not become a karate champion when my mom forced me to make the bed?Oh,I'm so unlucky....

this cross-training is a bad thing.A user work to find on the market and plan the training to grow players with the best salary/performance ratio,and then the game oddly train useless skill that raise tha salary of these players ruining this work????


If those players are truly the best salary/performance ratio, an extra pop in an undesired skill will likely hurt less than on a guy who is already on the "wrong path". I am always impressed by the ability of users to simultaneously ignore that these changes do not occur in a vacuum and to assume that any small change to their "optimal" plan is essentially "ruining" it.

The pop in undesired skill however hurt,so you don't have any point here.A training system that lead you to losing time in the training of a player(primary skill) and raise his salary in an undesired way(because of random secondary skill) is bad


But you said yourself that you're picking players who have the best "salary/performance" ratio. That means that your random pop in rebounding on a guard will cause less of a salary increase than someone else who has a guard with a worse ratio, since that pop will increase the salary a greater amount.

I forgot who it was in another forum (one of the GMs, I believe) so I can't credit them for this insight, but it's a good perspective: each week you're getting 10% of a normal training in one of the 9 skills that aren't being trained. On average, something that takes two full training weeks to pop would, therefore, be expected to take 180 training weeks to pop. Obviously, sublevels and training speed will factor in, but to speak as if training has been destroyed by this is making a mountain out of a pebble.

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191779.95 in reply to 191779.92
Date: 7/27/2011 5:18:05 PM
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As I understood the news, the 10% that is taken away from primary trained skill is evenly distributed between all other skills. So if you train OD for 10 weeks, you will eventually see a pop in all other 9 skills.

I could be wrong though. I started a thread in my national forum and as much people as possible will be tracking pops in unrelated skills.

Last edited by Koperboy at 7/27/2011 5:18:28 PM

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191779.96 in reply to 191779.70
Date: 7/27/2011 5:20:29 PM
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What ? Wasn't I asking you about your claim that training is now becoming unrealistic ?

Anyway, the cross training is ridiculously small. The main change is on the elastic effect. Ignore it and focus on the sidekicks.

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191779.97 in reply to 191779.93
Date: 7/27/2011 5:21:12 PM
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If you learn how to drive, you learn how to avoid being blocked.
Now when you try blocking someone driving, you know one more trick he can use to avoid your block, so you've become a better shotblocker.


So if I focus myself on driving I can be a better defensive player, because I can understand what people do during a 1on1, right?!

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191779.98 in reply to 191779.94
Date: 7/27/2011 5:22:32 PM
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But you said yourself that you're picking players who have the best "salary/performance" ratio. That means that your random pop in rebounding on a guard will cause less of a salary increase than someone else who has a guard with a worse ratio, since that pop will increase the salary a greater amount.

I forgot who it was in another forum (one of the GMs, I believe) so I can't credit them for this insight, but it's a good perspective: each week you're getting 10% of a normal training in one of the 9 skills that aren't being trained. On average, something that takes two full training weeks to pop would, therefore, be expected to take 180 training weeks to pop. Obviously, sublevels and training speed will factor in, but to speak as if training has been destroyed by this is making a mountain out of a pebble.

You are still not proving that this new system is better.My players need more time to develop the skills that they needed and that I want to train for them,and in the same times they are going to receive some bad training for their salary that doesn not improve their skills in game
This is not good,period

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191779.100 in reply to 191779.99
Date: 7/27/2011 5:25:02 PM
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Tell me, please, that you're ironic

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191779.101 in reply to 191779.93
Date: 7/27/2011 5:25:40 PM
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If you learn how to drive, you learn how to avoid being blocked.
Now when you try blocking someone driving, you know one more trick he can use to avoid your block, so you've become a better shotblocker.

Please, do not start with odd reasonings.

If I learn how to defend outisde, I know one more trick on how avoiding defending. OD must train also driving/JS/JR
If I learn how to defend outside, I know one more trick on how avoiding badpasses. OD must train also PAS.
If I learn how to defend outside, I know one more trick on how deny shooting (yes, even from outside). OD must train also SB.
If I learn how to defend outside, I know one more trick on how avoiding the guy I guard to take the rebound. OD must train also RB.
Defence is a really though work, if I learn how to defend outside I'll train also my resistance. OD must train also stamina.

And so on.

This is just about OD. We can play the game "justify everything" for all skills. You made your turn, I made mine, who's next?

Last edited by Biffo (*DT Member) at 7/27/2011 5:27:53 PM

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191779.102 in reply to 191779.100
Date: 7/27/2011 5:26:41 PM
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Wait...you are a professional trainer and all you can say as an argument to Moutlinho's post is:

Tell me, please, that you're ironic


Wouldn't you elaborate and make your stand a bit more legitimate?

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