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From: Tivoli
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31707.92 in reply to 31707.91
Date: 5/27/2008 9:40:54 AM
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Don´t forget Dennis Rodman 6'8 or somehtin like that. One of the best rebounders in NBA history maybe.

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31707.93 in reply to 31707.84
Date: 5/28/2008 6:21:03 AM
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The longer the game evolves, the better the height factor in training will be visible. Almost all the best centers in BB will be big guys.
Sure, there will be some smaller players who 'll have a great rebounding stat, but they won't reach the ultimate BB-top in the long run.
A bit of patience and you should be fine.


It was long to get to here... really long thread.

What Kantine says is the key, the game is still too young so we can find many strange things such as a NT player on a IV division. With time all this players will become unaffordable for low divisions teams due to their salaries.

The same with height. The way it affects to the training is the way BB has chosen to simulate the reality. When the game become older, most of the centers playing in the first divisions will be tall, and probably very few small players will be able to compete with them for rebound.

Of course it could be changed, but any other way to simulate the height effect will also have side-effects. In this games you have to simulate the reality with only a few parameters, therefore it will never be perfect.

But saying "it should be changed" does not help at all, because we all agree with that. Question is how to do it.

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31707.94 in reply to 31707.93
Date: 5/28/2008 8:25:09 AM
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But saying "it should be changed" does not help at all, because we all agree with that.


That's not accurate in the least.

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31707.95 in reply to 31707.94
Date: 5/28/2008 8:47:38 AM
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I meant that we all want to improve the game, make it more realistic but at the same time easy to play... that's easy to say but hard to do.

If there were an easy way to introduce the height effect in a more realistic way than it is, without making the game much harder, I´m pretty sure they would try it.

Anyway, I'm quite confortable with the current system because I´m not looking for the perfect basket simulator.

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31707.96 in reply to 31707.95
Date: 5/28/2008 9:40:06 AM
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If there were an easy way to introduce the height effect in a more realistic way than it is, without making the game much harder, I´m pretty sure they would try it.


The height system is in fact pretty realistic.
A smaller guy is able to rebound as good as a taller one, he just has to work harder for it, which is reflected in BB in training.
Just in the top leagues, he won't be able to compete with the big guys who work as hard as he does. And this will be more and more reflected in the coming seasons.

The only thing imo could be done to create a height mismatch, is condition:
- a small guy playing down could have a slight penalty on condition (has to jump relatively higher than his big opponent with the same rebounding level, which forces him to use more energy)
- a big guy playing a small guy outside has to run/turn more which he is physically less adapted for, so he also loses a bit more condition.

This system should be a compromise for the people that keep on going about the mismatch, although personally I think it's fine as it is.

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31707.97 in reply to 31707.96
Date: 5/28/2008 10:05:34 AM
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I also think that the current system is quite good, and of course your suggestions are also OK.

But when I prepare a match, I check my adversary's players. I check their statistics and ratings, their form and the position where they usually play. I try to find the weak and strong points of him. But at any moment, I check the height of the players because the height is only affecting to the owner of the player in terms of training speed.

In my opinion, in real basket, a coach will always take into account the height of the other players. Because there is an intrinsic physical advantage on it which is not depending on the training. That's what I try to mean when I say that this could be improved.

A second improvement related to this, will give more importance to the blocking skill of centers, which should be able to block shots of every player trying to get into the zone (not only his positional partner).

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31707.98 in reply to 31707.97
Date: 5/28/2008 10:21:48 AM
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In my opinion, in real basket, a coach will always take into account the height of the other players. Because there is an intrinsic physical advantage on it which is not depending on the training. That's what I try to mean when I say that this could be improved.

I can't see how this argument is more solid than "in real basketball, a coach will always take into account the skills of the player". The height of certain guys gives them an advantage in picking up those skills, which is adequately reflected in the current BB system.

The only thing BB doesn't capture with the current approach is coaches who keep inferior 7-footers on their roster just because this means extra 6 fouls on Shaq when he comes to town. Frankly, I don't see how this is a big loss

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31707.100 in reply to 31707.98
Date: 5/31/2008 11:14:41 AM
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I think some people give too much importance to height in a basketball game in real life.

If height was that much important Manute Ball would be the best player of all times and not Michael Jordan.

Better yet, Manute Ball would have to be better rebounder than Shaq or Rodman for instance.

And remember that Manute Ball played in the NBA, therefore I guess he had the proper training witha lvl 10 coach :P

And last but not least, if you consider heigth, u would have to consider, speed, strength, agility and other phisical aspects that aren't implemented in the game.

I think that would not make a better BuzzerBeater, and even based on real life height is not allways a good thing... Have seen lots of 7'xx guys that are really just crappy players... ;)

Just my 2 cents in a good discussion so far... ;)


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31707.101 in reply to 31707.100
Date: 5/31/2008 4:47:31 PM
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This is the problem that you guys just don’t get. I never said the taller the player the better he is. I said when my best post player with a level 10 inside score with a level 10 rebounding has to play someone he is taller than and I doubt had 8 or more in either rebounding or inside defense that he should be able to go off. The same way Shaq did for years over smaller centers as well. Shaq usually had a 4inch height difference and my center had 10 inches.

This has nothing to do with manute, chuck nevit, Mark Eaton or and other tall center compared to any other players. Also those players had specialties as each one of hem dominated in blocks. That’s why they stuck around

So please if you disagree with me that’s fine but stop changing the topic into height rules or something of that nature. I just don’t think that real low post players should be getting pushed around by players playing out of position.

That is why weight should be added cause if you have a center with good skills who weighs allot then most short players can’t push him out of the way.

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31707.102 in reply to 31707.101
Date: 5/31/2008 6:56:15 PM
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shaq would be lvl 18 at least with lvl 8 FT

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