BuzzerBeater Forums

I have the perfect logical solution for those who think like you Evaristo: make it impossible for new teams to compete and boost the veteran retention to the maximum!

With this you ensure a slow decline in users and guaranteed death of the game. Besides, remind me who was the guy who claimed people play this game to train and not to compete?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/3/2017 4:15:18 PM

Well, I never actually said to take away advantages of veteran teams. I merely stated that veterans should not have the power to sway decisions about changes based on their desire to maintain that retention. Seems like the same thing, but there is a subtle difference. Also, I didn't miss your semi subtle attempt to dismiss my comments based on the differences between season 6 and now (I was around well past season 20, if you missed that), I just felt it more productive to move past them. It does seem rather odd that someone with 3 seasons of experience is so in tune with the game the way you are, I compliment you on such a speedy path to such extreme enlightenment. If only we all could have such razor sharp insight maybe there would be no need for this discussion?

Also, we disagree completely on who would stay and who would go. Most successful veterans may be angry at the leveling of the slope based on changes, but few would actually leave, they are invested and hooked, which is part of the reason they are so successful. This game has lost two thirds of its users over the past several years, and mainly because of the reasons I have posted above. The two factors that can kill an online game are: belief in rampant and unchecked cheating, and futility. Without finding a way to not only attract but keep new managers, the downward spiral of the user base will continue. It really is no more complicated than that.

Last edited by Heathcote at 9/3/2017 3:53:24 PM

Some very vocal veterans were very angry at the lack of competition in their leagues and quit. Now because all the measures taken in the last few seasons were aimed at boosting competition, including mergers, higher salary floors etc, I would think it's safe to assume that the general view from Marin and the others making the decisions is that allowing more people to compete is a good idea. Therefore they really should agree with you.

Nah that's your opinion and a very limited one. I give you 3 or 4 seasons then you will turn around like Mike Franks did...

Besides, remind me who was the guy who claimed people play this game to train and not to compete?

Cheaper players means that hardcore trainers (that paid a lot for their trainees) will sell them cheaper than they bought them. So not happy at all.

Laughable argument, they can create all sort of boons for training if they wanted to, or make it cheaper, or make it faster. There have been hundreds of proposals that would have made training more profitable or more appealing.

Nobody will play a game if they realise they need to spend at least 2-3 years before being able to fully enjoy it. That's the reality you are facing. If reducing the advantage of established managers will allow higher new user retention then that is exactly what you should be doing. Otherwise we might as well just shut down the game now.

Anything you do to make it easy for newcomers will annoy many veterans.

15 seasons ago the advantage of a seasoned manager was 100. Now it's 1000. Do you seriously think there will be someone complaining because the advantage is cut back to 500? You are not one of these managers, why do you think you know how they feel about it?

Maybe you want cheaper arenas.

I wanted cheaper arenas 15 seasons ago. I said back then that arenas used to cost too much compared to everything else. After inflation started, all that became academical, buying seats is obviously a good investment now.

It seems like a circular argument with this guy, and nothing productive will come from it. He proposes overly simplistic 'solutions' that don't come close to addressing the actual problem. It's like suggesting a TB sufferer take a cough drop to alleviate his cough. "It is what it is" is not an actual argument or solution, just a resignation.

As I previously stated, entrenched managers will be angry at any change that subtracts from their advantage, and rightfully so. I remember way back when many were suggesting more variances in training, more options. All of those at the top of their country ladder were outraged because they had figured out how to get the most from the limited options, and changing that would take away the advantage they had earned. Same situation here with any suggestion that helps level the playing field. Those who lose advantage are angry, those who would benefit are happy. You can never take something away from someone and expect them to willingly acquiesce. The big problem in my eyes is that the complaints from the few at the top seem to have a greater impact in BB than the advancement and growth of the game, which makes it unique from many successful gaming communities I have been engaged with in the past. At the risk of repeating myself, as long as the firewall between those who control the direction of the game and the community remains down or non-existent, the top players will remain happy as the game slowly dies around them. Change is always going to piss people off, and maybe 'it is what it is' is all we can expect until the game is no more.

Maybe in Spain but Usa community 3 season. I been here for about 3 seasons. Its Impossible.

I think the game needs to open up on how to play. I don't mind competitive mystery but this game is insane with what you have sacrifice in order to win short term and long term.I'm out the playoff hunt because I had to lose to top team to get enthusiasm because someone told I would lose the game .

To me being new it make me almost not want to play, almost like your wasting you time. If your team cant play hard and beat top teams by chance .