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I dont know wether american billionaires care about, but soccer has a big problem nowadays:

If you buy one team, you will lose more money than you will win. Thats 100% for sure, investing in players, paying them good salarys etc, i dont know if the american billionaires will see atractive to buy and invest on good soccer teams.

Just an example, how Liverpool lose money season after season and every season there are rumours of selling their best players.

I think this is a good trend. Due to these massive losses, we are slowly going back to the youth academy's being the centre of the soccer clubs again. Which means Holland can finally return to the top of the world in soccer.

The reason why we lost the race is because of the money. A few decades ago Ajax was still able to keep their great players and win champions leagues and european cups. Now every talent is sold to a big club offering millions of extra salary per year. There is no way we can keep them.

Just imagine the great team Ajax would have if they could keep those players. Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Van der Sar, Bergkamp, Babel, Huntelaar, Seedorf etc etc. We could surely build a Champions League winning team then!

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 3/12/2010 6:49:47 PM

The structure in MLS is entirely different. No team can spend over a certain amount on players, and that amount is voted on by the MLS board/owners every season. They have a very tight control on player salaries, transfer fees, etc, so they can at the very least limit the losses.

European soccer is exactly what MLS is trying to avoid because that model is not sustainable in America where there are there is tons of competition for sports dollars.

Last edited by brian at 3/12/2010 6:54:22 PM

You are right on that. Most powerhouses in Europe are close to bankrupt. They spend ridiculous amound of money, especially Real Madrid and Chelsea. A sort of salary cap in European football will help a lot i think

why is there a predominately soccer conversation in the normal global chat? and why is there a bunch of gm's and bb's involving themselves in the chat rather then moving it to the non-bb global forum? lol
it may have started about bb but its been about soccer for alot of posts now with no course correction.
strangely almost every other post ive seen in the forums thats gotten off track has either been closed or told to get back to bb related posts.
for those reasons i find this thread actually quite interesting ( that and im slightly interested in football/soccer)
here in australia football isnt all that good, the games are quite boring when compared to most euro teams, though our national games are quite alot better.
personally i keep hoping sport in australia will start excelling in more global sports such as soccer and basketball, but we seem content at being great cricketers,swimmers,rugby/rugby league players.
as for soccer in america what ive been told by the guys i regulary play call of duty with soccer isnt popular in america because of a few reasons, first and foremost its boring to them on all levels, it seems to slow/field to big, they dont understand passing the ball backwards 4 5mins to take a chance at moving forward, they think soccer players are wimps crying for penalties there were a few other reasons as well mainly ones about not enough contact in the game.

well thats my thoughts on the matter, glad to assist in a off original topic thread.

also completely off topic but ive often wondered why nfl teams dont scout out or try to acquire nrl players from australia, we have some big very skilled players over here that earn almost nothing compared to nfl players, our boys take big hits without padding and break through big tackles, alot of our star players have great hands aswell.
ive thought for a long time the flood gates will open soon and nfl will steal away alot of our great talents from rugby league.

Last edited by zyler at 3/13/2010 2:35:25 AM

The structure in MLS is entirely different. No team can spend over a certain amount on players, and that amount is voted on by the MLS board/owners every season. They have a very tight control on player salaries, transfer fees, etc, so they can at the very least limit the losses.

European soccer is exactly what MLS is trying to avoid because that model is not sustainable in America where there are there is tons of competition for sports dollars.

There should be a kind of balance between MLS and european model
In USA kids are discouraged to play soccer because they havent' any perspective about a better future(the actual minimum salary in the MLS CBA is under the poverty threshold estabilished by Us government),in Europe there are too many team on the road of the failure,but if a team program well his future can compete at top level(Fiorentina started from the italian fourth league for finacial problems some years ago,and was eliminated this year by Bayern Monaco because some enormous refree's mistakes)

P.S. the DP rule allow to spend huge amount of money on a single player(for example Beckham in this moment),shouldn't be better to use these money to mantain the best american players in USA,when nowadays many american young players had to go in Europe to receive some decent salary(they were buying often by scandinavian teams,which aren't exactly the richest in Europe)?

There should be a kind of balance between MLS and european model

No doubt MLS owners want to see the revenues streams grow to allow for more spending, but these owners are in for long term growth not short term gain. We've seen what happened when teams were allowed to spend without control, that league didnt last very long (NASL).

the DP rule allow to spend huge amount of money on a single player(for example Beckham in this moment),shouldn't be better to use these money to mantain the best american players in USA

The Beckham experiment worked, off the field at least. LA increased attendance, signed a sponsorship deal that just about offset Beck's salary alone. It drew a lot of interest to the league, sold out away games for the other teams, etc. If there was an American player that could draw that kind of interest to justify DP pay then no doubt that's the way to go. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be any American players that have that kind of star power. MLS is better off taking a fee from promising young stars (something they could improve on, many players leave MLS on free transfer) and opening up another spot for a young player. Most leagues in the world are feeder leagues to some other bigger league, thats just how it is.

For now the league is stable and steadily growing. That is a huge accomplishment for this league almost 15 years in.

Last edited by brian at 3/13/2010 10:14:25 AM

It depends on what you consider short term gain.I think the salary cap of MLS should be increased at least of 3 or 4 times in the next 10 years.If the fans cannot identificate himself in a local/national star,the DP rule wil give only a temporary boost to the league,which will not let the league so much stronger after that.Surely in USA teams need the salary cap,but it should need also to increas the players moviment,which doesn't work in this moment

I think USA national soccer federations should copy the structure of Brazilian League to increase the appeal on the public,could be interesting to enlarge the interest of the medium towns about soccer,to create some kind of regional tournaments when MLS is on vacation with team of the MLS,the american II and III division and some team of indoor soccer,so you should create some kind of rivalry that could enthuse the people and spread soccer also in cities cut off actually who cannot afford a team in the MLS(a country big as the Texas cannot have only a major team in the MLS,you should create many interesting rivalries)

Another thing that MLS need is to became in the future a league with promotions and relegations.In MLS,when a team is far away from the top,the season became very les interesting for its fans because the team doesn't have any objectives about the season and had only to wait the draft.This led a diasffection by the fans,because they haven't any motive to follow the team(the arenas of the weaker teams in Nba are often almost empty,except when the stars come in their city).In all the other countries of the world,also the weaker team gave to their fans motives of interest because they are commited in the fight to avoid the relegations,so every team gave a sense to its season,and fans are involved to sustain the team.But for doing this,the MLS had to organize with the other division in the USA and had to involve many other medium and big cities in their project

How bad did the Beckham injury hurt LA. He is expected to miss the entire season now. He wasn't a lock for the England national team and they are loaded enough with talent that he won't be as missed as he will be in LA.

Also, is he going to be more missed as a draw or as a player?

(A slight aside from my question... I like Donovan a lot, but he would be better off staying in England. Obviously what's best for the Galaxy is that he is in the US... the the national team would be better served if he improved his game in England. Following that logic the growth of the game here might be better served by a better national team showing. I use Dempsey as the prime example of improvement abroad. I think Michael Bradley is having the same type of improvement.)

Althoug I've never been a big Becks fan, it was gut wrentching seeing him go down. I really felt bad for him.

Beckam was never been a great player, but very marketable one. They overpay him to boost there marketing, but Europe considering he was a very good player but never great and that on his prime, and its obviously well past that...

why is there a predominately soccer conversation in the normal global chat? and why is there a bunch of gm's and bb's involving themselves in the chat rather then moving it to the non-bb global forum? lol
it may have started about bb but its been about soccer for alot of posts now with no course correction.
strangely almost every other post ive seen in the forums thats gotten off track has either been closed or told to get back to bb related posts.

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