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8288.94 in reply to 8288.69
Date: 11/28/2007 9:17:05 PM
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..anyway, the distance between top and bottom are growing more rapidly and it will become a greater handicap to have been born in the bottom than before.


I think that's what they're trying to do.

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A CT? Really?
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8288.95 in reply to 8288.80
Date: 11/28/2007 9:17:42 PM
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In my opinion, BB teams are handed MORE of a silver platter and with the influx of players, they are given a silver spoon at a lower cost.

Not following you here...

Hattrick should stop being compared to BB.

BB is heavily based on HT. WIth the problems in HT recently, this game absolutely should be compared to HT to try and learn from their mistakes and avoid similar problems.

It a randomly generated game. While I agree with the maturity of the game is best, I disagree with the speed. There are other aspect of the game that can be addressed instead of this because the user base hasn't matured. Once that happens - any change that comes with it isn't met with such resistance.


I think that we all need to remember the fact that about three months ago, there were only around 1,000 active BB teams. Today there is around 25,000. What percentage of those teams stick around for the long haul is a discussion for another thread. With this huge increase came huge problems. The economy was one of them. The actions that the developers decided upon are preventative. The BBs, along with many other users, saw what was coming down the pike.

These changes may hurt some users in the short term, but in the long run they will benefit most.

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8288.96 in reply to 8288.94
Date: 11/28/2007 9:18:08 PM
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You think that's a good thing or a bad thing ?

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8288.97 in reply to 8288.87
Date: 11/28/2007 9:19:10 PM
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Classic. yeah, I tried to keep to the value of the posts, but got a lil carried away.

Simply put, yes the poor elements of HT should be viewed at from the developer level. HT can do the things it does because it's been around for atleast 10 years. You can't compare a game that has been around for 6 months to a game that has been around for 10 years.

I am not an economics major, took a class or two and slept at a Holiday inn a couple of times. There really is no right answer except trial and error. If it works, then great, we got to spend 2 days on a post that pulled some hair out, butts getting chewed on, and commentaries like mine that offer no vaule what so ever.

And the people stood up and said AMEN

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8288.98 in reply to 8288.96
Date: 11/28/2007 9:21:30 PM
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You think that's a good thing or a bad thing ?


I don't think it's a bad thing.

On a personal level, I really don't think it affects me as much as is intimated, as I feel I'm going to stay in the NBBA for a long time regardless of whether or not this happened.

Spending most of my money early on Arena expansion and trying to win games with my original players instead of buying players worked out really well for me, and this change doesn't really have the impact it may have other NBBA teams.

For the health of the game, I think it's necessary.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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8288.99 in reply to 8288.91
Date: 11/28/2007 9:23:22 PM
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How about making a shotblock show up? How can doctors be valuable? How about defenses that create advantages on both ends of the court when they should only create them on the defensive end. There are ways to keep users plugged in other than this.



While I agree that these issues are important, it's like trying to put a band-aid on a shotgun wound. You certainly can't ignore the smaller issues entirely in favor of the bigger ones. However, you also can't get so caught up in the small stuff that you miss the big picture.

I think the BBs have done a pretty darn good job of dealing with the balancing act.

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8288.100 in reply to 8288.91
Date: 11/28/2007 9:26:40 PM
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To me, I think the lack of high skilled players is one of the most important aspects that needs to be improved right now. The longer that NBBA teams are able to stay in the top division with salaries not much higher than div 3 and 4 teams the more money will accumulate at the top.

Already there is a race to get the largest arena because these teams are getting a large amount of surplus income with no star players to spend it on.

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8288.101 in reply to 8288.97
Date: 11/28/2007 9:28:56 PM
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commentaries like mine that offer no vaule what so ever.


I'll assume you're kidding here. The BBs LOVE this sort of stuff. And I do, too. It means that the users care about the game and have a vested interest in it. Though I'm not a developer, I can't think of a greater reward then seeing excitement and emotion over something I've created.

And, despite what some think, the BBs do listen to the opinions of the users -- positive and negative.

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8288.102 in reply to 8288.95
Date: 11/28/2007 9:28:58 PM
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My reasoning for the silver platter comment is simple. 3 months ago we heard stories from users who were able to build contenders and champions of their division from the team they got, and a change or two. I for one, won my division with a few moves. On the other side, we heard top teams complaining teams were better than what they started with. Where is the issue? Team makeup being too good.


Bottom line - When in HT have you ever heard of a user that gets a team and wins the division after playing a few games? The teams they get are bad. They get a user test because they are so bad and to prevent users from making that 100k seat upgrade, or buying that 100k player and go bankrupt.

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8288.103 in reply to 8288.102
Date: 11/28/2007 9:31:24 PM
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My reasoning for the silver platter comment is simple. 3 months ago we heard stories from users who were able to build contenders and champions of their division from the team they got, and a change or two. I for one, won my division with a few moves. On the other side, we heard top teams complaining teams were better than what they started with. Where is the issue? Team makeup being too good.


Bottom line - When in HT have you ever heard of a user that gets a team and wins the division after playing a few games? The teams they get are bad. They get a user test because they are so bad and to prevent users from making that 100k seat upgrade, or buying that 100k player and go bankrupt.


I agree with pretty much everything you said here. These new changes are aimed at fixing these exact issues.

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8288.104 in reply to 8288.100
Date: 11/28/2007 9:34:30 PM
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I think part of that is going to fix itself as these top teams (who bought all the great trainees) train these guys up to high levels, and make their own higher salaries. I imagine they will train guys as high as possible to compete in the very lucrative league that is the NBBA.

Also, I think a lot of us are focusing too much on the top teams. There are 23,000 active teams right now in about 65 countries, which equates to 1040 total teams in their country's top league. That is less than 5% of the total userbase. Obviously the 95% have far more money and economic power to shift the market than the 5%, no matter how much cash they're raking in each week.

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