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Perhaps I am responding to the wrong thread but whay you guys say just proves my point. Players in the top leagues love to train but it is way too hard to draft a decent player yourself.

GM-CrazyEye said:

and i trained 3 of my player since day 1, and 2 other over multiple seasons. This doesn't include 2 dudes i am currently training. So i "designed" 7 dudes of my 10 men rotation.

Also i am still training players ;)

Why is it bad when i decide to search my trainee, who fit to my team?

Great manager and great trainer, but guess what, none of those players are his draft picks. None!

GM-Perpete said:

I only have one 20 y old, yet I'm training three guys. You need to understand that players can be trained after their 21 years. In fact, they have to as players under 22 will never be dominant in D1 and rarely enough to fight with opposition.

Before selling some players recently, I had 7 out 11 players trained in my team. Currently, they are 5 out of 7. Proof that I trained i think.

But out of all of them only one is his draft pick. Johannes Morin (19503749) 20 year old 11k Point Guard Johannes Morin was pick 6 in the season 15 draft by Forty Two.

Me too! I have trained a ton of players but are any my draft picks? Nope. I keep on saying it the players the draft produces are just too bad to use in 90% of cases. You can pick up a brilliant young trainee for a few hundred thousand easily, or a 19 year old superstar with reasonable skills for less that $100,000.

Look at the NBA.

Transaction Meter
Team Draft Picks FA or Waivers Trade Total
ATL 4 9 2 15
BOS 3 5 7 15
CHA 3 3 9 15
CHI 4 5 4 13
CLE 4 4 7 15
DAL 0 7 8 15
DEN 1 4 10 15
DET 8 5 0 13
GSW 6 5 3 14
HOU 3 2 10 15
IND 5 3 5 13
LAC 4 6 3 13
LAL 6 6 2 14
MEM 4 5 6 15
MIA 2 9 4 15
MIL 6 3 6 15
MIN 5 3 7 15
NJN 2 7 6 15
NOR 0 5 10 15
NYK 3 5 7 15
OKC 7 1 7 15
ORL 4 3 8 15
PHI 8 2 4 14
PHX 2 7 5 14
POR 4 5 6 15
SAC 7 2 5 14
SAN 7 3 3 13
TOR 3 6 6 15
UTH 6 4 3 13
WAS 7 1 7 15
Total 128 137 169 434

Out of 434 players on rosters at the moment 128 were drafted by their current team. Five, six or seven draftees is typical. Most good teams have maybe at most one of their drafts pick on their roster BB. Identifying with your players and watching them develop is one of the addictive things about BB and it should be made MUCH easier to draft reasonable talent.

So I will bump my suggestion which is the easiest change in the world to make, just editing some numbers in a line of code.

The problem is simply the ratios are wrong at the moment.

This is wild speculation based on my observations only in India (where I have studied every draft for the last few seasons) and Australia but the current breakdown is something like this.

announcer 2/48
bench warmer 6/48
role player 6/48
6th man 6/48
starter 6/48
star 6/48
allstar 6/48
perennial allstar 5/48
superstar 3/48
MVP 2/48
hall of famer 1/100
all-time great 1/1000

Consdiering that all players with potential of announcer to starter are really just varying degrees of useless that all get fired within a week of the draft there is half the draft gone already. Then consider the one or two MVPs you get in the draft can be a $2,000 salary 18 year old and a $4,000 19 year old 7'0" PG with atrocious ID and IS then you can start to see how few useful players we really get per draft. The figure of 10% has been often raised and I think that is a good ballpark figure.

I would suggest a MUCH better distribution of potential would be something like

announcer 2/48
bench warmer 2/48
role player 2/48
6th man 2/48
starter 2/48
star 10/48
allstar 10/48
perennial allstar 10/48
superstar 6/48
MVP 2/48
hall of famer 1/100
all-time great 1/1000

So no change to the top three potentials at all but a lot more players that can be trained and at least become useful players in decent leagues.

but all those player are drafted in the same league, where all the talents go ;) here there are several k draft, where the players might end you want to draft.

Also the NBA bring in nearly finished players, here we get very rough talents.

I think whoever drafted Darko Milicic or Hasheem Thabeet would disagree. :)

I am not asking for finished players here, just ones that you can turn into something useful, a backup in a decent league, not full of players that are totally worthless.

i think in BB we have enough talent already here, i mean finished player are nearly worth nothing so a increase in the existing talent will just raise the minimum requirement to train.

I think whoever drafted Darko Milicic or Hasheem Thabeet would disagree. :)

but since you try it with an example, i take a look at it. Picking darko was bad scouting and i tell you why, cause he just isn't that good like the draft pick let yyou expect. But he is still a finished player ...

A normal good 3rd pick in BB, couldn't play in the starting lineup of an NCAA 3 college, but will be an superstar with 24. That potential.

And we trained in the beginning to, with really worse player since they was the best avaible one today most of them would be fired since we now have quality in the pool. If we raise quality in the pool, you would say the same about most of the players you train now.

Perpete:

I only have one 20 y old, yet I'm training three guys. You need to understand that players can be trained after their 21 years. In fact, they have to as players under 22 will never be dominant in D1 and rarely enough to fight with opposition.

Before selling some players recently, I had 7 out 11 players trained in my team. Currently, they are 5 out of 7. Proof that I trained i think.

You also "drafted" players from the TL...
And of course you have "sended scouters" to watch those guys.

The same comparison between "training" old guys and training your drafted players.

KUDOS to your integrity that is rare on this forums.

Regarding your suggestion;
As I wrote there needs to be multiple changes here, in order of making this game more competitiveness.
A team is getting more and more assets (Players, Arena size, etc.) each season, which means that a team that had joined lately will need to wait for those old teams to retire (or to be realy lousy BB-managers), in order of getting to the first divisions.

So, the change is to have more "mature" players at the higher league's draft (meaning players that has higher DMI on average), but that needs to come with a price (as just having better draft players for the higher leagues will make this game even less competitive)...

What is that "price"?
It can be for example - minimum scouting fee from all high divisions leagues.
Another option (in addition or instead) - higher draft players' salaries that (at least the first round) are secured (those players cannot be fired or sell on their first 3 years).

As I already heard here, there are more than few old users that are so bored due to the above reasons, that are intentionaly tanking to be part of a real draft and training.
What does it means about all the "training" those other users claim of performing (as you had quoted)... I'll let others to decide.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 1/1/2012 4:05:25 PM

Also the NBA bring in nearly finished players, here we get very rough talents.

Not true (and I'm using a very miled expression).
Kobe briant at his first years is not close to the level he played at its prime years.
Same is true about Shaq.
Same is true about lots of other players.
Is there a player in the last two or three drafts that is even at an allstar level right now? No there is not even one.
In few years we will see that there are more than one at that level.

They are not nearly finished players.

Derrick Rose.

Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love.