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Some very vocal veterans were very angry at the lack of competition in their leagues and quit. Now because all the measures taken in the last few seasons were aimed at boosting competition, including mergers, higher salary floors etc, I would think it's safe to assume that the general view from Marin and the others making the decisions is that allowing more people to compete is a good idea. Therefore they really should agree with you.

Nah that's your opinion and a very limited one. I give you 3 or 4 seasons then you will turn around like Mike Franks did...

Besides, remind me who was the guy who claimed people play this game to train and not to compete?

Cheaper players means that hardcore trainers (that paid a lot for their trainees) will sell them cheaper than they bought them. So not happy at all.

Laughable argument, they can create all sort of boons for training if they wanted to, or make it cheaper, or make it faster. There have been hundreds of proposals that would have made training more profitable or more appealing.

Nobody will play a game if they realise they need to spend at least 2-3 years before being able to fully enjoy it. That's the reality you are facing. If reducing the advantage of established managers will allow higher new user retention then that is exactly what you should be doing. Otherwise we might as well just shut down the game now.

Anything you do to make it easy for newcomers will annoy many veterans.

15 seasons ago the advantage of a seasoned manager was 100. Now it's 1000. Do you seriously think there will be someone complaining because the advantage is cut back to 500? You are not one of these managers, why do you think you know how they feel about it?

Maybe you want cheaper arenas.

I wanted cheaper arenas 15 seasons ago. I said back then that arenas used to cost too much compared to everything else. After inflation started, all that became academical, buying seats is obviously a good investment now.

It seems like a circular argument with this guy, and nothing productive will come from it. He proposes overly simplistic 'solutions' that don't come close to addressing the actual problem. It's like suggesting a TB sufferer take a cough drop to alleviate his cough. "It is what it is" is not an actual argument or solution, just a resignation.

As I previously stated, entrenched managers will be angry at any change that subtracts from their advantage, and rightfully so. I remember way back when many were suggesting more variances in training, more options. All of those at the top of their country ladder were outraged because they had figured out how to get the most from the limited options, and changing that would take away the advantage they had earned. Same situation here with any suggestion that helps level the playing field. Those who lose advantage are angry, those who would benefit are happy. You can never take something away from someone and expect them to willingly acquiesce. The big problem in my eyes is that the complaints from the few at the top seem to have a greater impact in BB than the advancement and growth of the game, which makes it unique from many successful gaming communities I have been engaged with in the past. At the risk of repeating myself, as long as the firewall between those who control the direction of the game and the community remains down or non-existent, the top players will remain happy as the game slowly dies around them. Change is always going to piss people off, and maybe 'it is what it is' is all we can expect until the game is no more.

Maybe in Spain but Usa community 3 season. I been here for about 3 seasons. Its Impossible.

I think the game needs to open up on how to play. I don't mind competitive mystery but this game is insane with what you have sacrifice in order to win short term and long term.I'm out the playoff hunt because I had to lose to top team to get enthusiasm because someone told I would lose the game .

To me being new it make me almost not want to play, almost like your wasting you time. If your team cant play hard and beat top teams by chance .

My team is the proof that you are wrong. You can make a competitive team in 3 seasons.

lol sure, competitive for D3 (y). You are living proof that if you want to catch up:
a) You need to daytrade even within the current limits set by the game
b) You need to be a lucky sod who randomly gets a 18yo Hall of Famer in the draft with the 22nd pick without scouting and sells it for nearly 6 million

So yes, you are talking about competing (in D4 and D3) when you got 6 million cash randomly granted to you and you make another coupl of millions from trading. 6 million is enough to buy a D4 title and field a solid D3 team, sure. You can probably buy a couple of D1 starters who are not 32yo or 1 good (130 TSP) young player (26-27yo). That's about it.

You will enjoy if you play against managers that are similar to you. You don't need to be in div.1. Put new managers together and they will enjoy from day 1.

Let me rephrase. Nobody will want to be stuck in lower leagues unless they repeatedly win the lottery or need to spend an ungodly amount of time on the transfer list.

Too late for managers with almost completed trainees which will want to sell in one or two seasons.

Nonsense. If you boost training, everyone training will benefit. I have 3 trainees (28yo) on one team and 5 on the other (19, 2x20, 22, 28), why wouldn't I benefit if, say, they make my own trainees play better when they play for the team who trained them? Why wouldn't I benefit if training was going to get 10% faster? Assuming all players go to the cap the only thing that would happen is that everyone gets there 10% faster. It's very simple.