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67475.95 in reply to 67475.94
Date: 1/15/2009 9:31:57 AM
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Blocking 2 Positions:
Trains SB @ 2-3 weeks
Trains ID @ 7-8 weeks
Trains RB @ 7-8 weeks

ID two Positions:
Trains ID @ 2-3 weeks
Trains DV @ 7-8 weeks
Trains IS @ 7-8 weeks
Trains SB @ 7-8 weeks

One and One:
Forwards:
Trains DV @ 1.8 weeks
Trains HN @ 2.3 weeks
Trains IS @ 4-5 weeks
Trains JS @ 4-5 weeks

You see the difference?

My experience is that SB is affected quite strongly by height (more than ID for sure), so a really tall player will progress quite fast -- close to the pop rate of driving for forwards. But then again, that's just my nonscientific opinion.

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67475.96 in reply to 67475.93
Date: 1/15/2009 9:32:50 AM
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It can pop as fast as rod runner but it wont do you no good so why should we care about how fast it pops?

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67475.97 in reply to 67475.95
Date: 1/15/2009 9:39:36 AM
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sometimes it goes faster because the other skills are much higher, but when you train it at an similiar level likes theother "C" Skills the time is quite right ...

But that isn't right the point, when you train 1 on 1 you improve your team right, it will shoot better and make less to ... if you train blocking you will train 7 level for ~0,2 Bpg which will hit the basket in around 40% of the cases . So you train 14 weeks for ~0,16 points per game(for you 1 point every 8 game, yeah this decide pretty much close game HaHa), and pay for that with a similiar skilled center 10-20k salary and you can train that much other skills anymore. So it would be better not to train it, but you can not undo training, andyour player only improves noticeable in his salary which ain't really good.

Thats the poitn of it.

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67475.98 in reply to 67475.97
Date: 1/15/2009 9:50:05 AM
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sometimes it goes faster because the other skills are much higher, but when you train it at an similiar level likes theother "C" Skills the time is quite right ...
A 18-year old, 7'4 center who was maybe 2 levels ahead in all other inside skills was training shot blocking at ~1 pop per week. Make of it what you will.


But that isn't right the point, when you train 1 on 1 you improve your team right, it will shoot better and make less to ...
Except you can in no way quantify the actual improvement in your team that's due to Driving, or can you? How do you know it's not even less effective than shot blocking?


if you train blocking you will train 7 level for ~0,2 Bpg
I am not sure where you come with this numbers. I don't think they're anything close to the real effect.

A quick look at a bunch of NT players shows that starting at mediocre-average, 7 additional levels of shot blocking mean as much as an extra 1-1.5 shots blocked per game, roughly speaking.


Thats the poitn of it.
Maybe it is. Everyone is free to play the game as they see fit.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 1/15/2009 9:58:47 AM

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Date: 1/15/2009 9:58:49 AM
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A 18-year old, 7'4 center who was maybe 2 levels ahead in all other inside skills was training shot blocking at ~1 pop per week. Make of it what you will.


then discuss it in the speed thread, i am pretty sure they will be other opionions.

Except you can in no way quantify the actual improvement in your team that's due to Driving, or can you? How do you know it's not even less effective than shot blocking?


But even if it worthless, is improves the others skills fast an even an 16 in driving doesn't cost many salary ... And there are lot team in germany who get succesful with training lot of driving, this could be and sign. You can not even proove the concept of js right, because it have the same effect like driving, you take more shoots and maybe the percentages improves a bit.

I am not sure where you come with this numbers. I don't think they're anything close to the real effect of shot blocking.


thats an small old study we make to look if blocking could work that way, you can see really difference in the amount of blocks if you watch on the stats.

Guess what blocking he has -> (4599819)


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67475.100 in reply to 67475.99
Date: 1/15/2009 10:09:40 AM
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But even if it worthless, is improves the others skills fast an even an 16 in driving doesn't cost many salary ...
Wait, does that mean that it's ok to train a worthless skill just because it doesn't add salary?


And there are lot team in germany who get succesful with training lot of driving, this could be and sign.
And every morning the sun rises half an hour after I get up, but that doesn't mean I make the sun rise. You have to do better than this.


You can not even proove the concept of js right, because it have the same effect like driving, you take more shoots and maybe the percentages improves a bit.
I don't quite understand what you're talking about (or how it relates to the case in point).


Guess what blocking he has -> (4599819)
I am much more interested in what stamina he has.


Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 1/15/2009 10:10:34 AM

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Date: 1/15/2009 10:14:08 AM
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Wait, does that mean that it's ok to train a worthless skill just because it doesn't add salary?


read the complete sentence please, the training is pretty strong, so you won't waste anything in training it ...

And there are lot team in germany who get succesful with training lot of driving, this could be and sign.


And every morning the sun rises half an hour after I get up, but that doesn't mean I make the sun rise. You have to do better than this.


You a an genious, sometimes succes depends on good decisiosn and not bad ones.

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Date: 1/15/2009 10:19:22 AM
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Wait, does that mean that it's ok to train a worthless skill just because it doesn't add salary?
read the complete sentence please, the training is pretty strong, so you won't waste anything in training it ...
No matter how you slice it, the fact is that neither me nor you have a real perception of how much exactly driving helps your team, and yet feel compelled to call this training useful for some reason.

And as you yourself correctly alluded in one previous post, you always lose something by training skill X -- the training you could have gained in any other skill for this time.


You a an genious, sometimes succes depends on good decisiosn and not bad ones.
There was a team who won three consecutive championships in Bulgaria by training team JS. He must have been taking some good decisions, I guess...

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 1/15/2009 10:20:15 AM

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67475.103 in reply to 67475.100
Date: 1/15/2009 10:20:29 AM
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Listen leave that this is about SB usless thing in the game.

I have a center with colossal(19) SB that in his avg per game play 41 and do 0.8 SB

And i have a Shooting Guard with respectable(7) SB that ply avg 28 min and do 1.4 SB

Is that realistic? is the SB skill level is example for something realted to SB made in the game itself? NO!!!

How can a player with almost 1\3 skill level do almost X2 blocks per game for more the half seasen?!?

Do i really need more proofs for the current LAME SB SYSTEM?

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Date: 1/15/2009 10:23:05 AM
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Guess what blocking he has -> (4599819)
I am much more interested in what stamina he has.


pretty bad that you watch, his skills i guess ... it is allowed to do this? I just wanted to figure out if it possible to watch whch blocking skill he have is nearly impossible to see in the stats.
And i could tell you that other player with low stamina block also at that numbers, but with totally different skill.

So it is your buissness to spy your opponents also, because their skills could be intresting for you, too?

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Date: 1/15/2009 10:31:46 AM
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Guess what blocking he has -> (4599819)
I am much more interested in what stamina he has.


pretty bad that you watch, his skills i guess ... it is allowed to do this? I just wanted to figure out if it possible to watch whch blocking skill he have is nearly impossible to see in the stats.
And i could tell you that other player with low stamina block also at that numbers, but with totally different skill.

So it is your buissness to spy your opponents also, because their skills could be intresting for you, too?

As a matter of fact, I don't see player skills. I run analysis based on my own players, and what I could see is that even 2-3 levels of stamina can cause a significant difference in shots blocked between players who have similar skills and play comparative minutes.

So, I take it I guessed correctly that his stamina level is somewhere between god-awful and pathetic?

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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