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yes I agree the playback engine has many fundamental flaws. but a lot less than other games out there.

pretty close to real baba

smh.

100% of people who have played basketball at any level will tell you that a good chunk of stuff that happens in the simulation has about 0% chance of happening in real life.

ur math skill is far from real life as well..

im out

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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings and I'm sorry to see you go, I was looking forward to additional pearls of wisdom from such a fine basketball and real life connoisseur!

Perhaps you can try to explain how in the world you got to the conclusion that the GE reflects reality, when you see series of 5 ORs in a row, guards rebounding their own misses on FTs, players fouling out in a quarter or having 2 fouls within a few seconds in the first half, people dunking unassisted a very few seconds after the ball has been put into play on the other side of the court, half court shots at the end of the shot clock and my personal favourites:
- people shooting FTs after they have been substituted
- people shooting 30 seconds after the shot clock hit 0
And that's even without considering some tactical inconsistencies, shot selection and so on.

It seems like you decided to participate in the bash Trainerman game, please do so, but at least make an effort to use some kind of reasoning.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/27/2015 7:00:21 PM

Lots of consecutive ORs in a row is less common in NBA because of athleticism and physicality which either means your gonna see a dunk putback or a foul within the first 2 or 3 ORs....
Also just overall skill of players.

Even if you put drummond and high school kids the odds of 5 ORs in a row on putbacks are next to 0. You need to factor in not just the OR but the fact that the guy has to miss at least 4 times in a row as well. ZBo was a far inferior offensive rebounder at any point in his career, and especially in Portland, than Drummond already is. I've seen nearly all of Drummond's games and he's never had 5 ORs in a row. That said, it's usually a team affair in this game...usually until someone finally scores.

At amateur level I have seen dozens of ORs in a row. Big mismatch and this will happen.

Explain to me how you've seen dozens of missed tap-ins one after another. I'm not saying 5 ORs in consecutive offensive possessions, I mean 5 ORs in the same possession. If you play a 6'8'' kid against 6'2'' kids of course he will grab a lot of ORs during a game, but missing 4-5 times in a row from under the basket with that size advantage?

Same thing with foul sequences, guards rebounding FTs etc. These somewhat rare happenings even in BB are not impossible in real ball and I see them happen all the time.

ORs on FTs (by teammates) are somewhat rare events among people of any age who have high IQ enough to understand what boxing out is, less rare among lower level leagues, but the shortest guys on the court rebounding their own FTs when they are not trying to miss on purpose would be more like a miracle, it just does not happen. In BB it happens every goddamn season. Multiple times.

I have no issue wiht that stuff. i ahve issue with the actual incongruences with actual game rules nad lack of certain types of violations/obvious and admitted complete lack of fullcourt simulation. BB simulates half-court basketball. This is admitted by devs.

OK there are no fastbreaks (save for when you need to rush a shot, because then you get a jump shot within 2 seconds), you have no option to crash the offensive boards vs playing it safe etc etc, but what about the apparent lack of team defence or screens (and specifically illegal ones)? These things are kind of key in half court sets...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/27/2015 8:26:11 PM

Perhaps you can try to explain how in the world you got to the conclusion that the GE reflects reality, when you see series of 5 ORs in a row, guards rebounding their own misses on FTs, players fouling out in a quarter or having 2 fouls within a few seconds in the first half, people dunking unassisted a very few seconds after the ball has been put into play on the other side of the court, half court shots at the end of the shot clock and my personal favourites:
- people shooting FTs after they have been substituted
- people shooting 30 seconds after the shot clock hit 0
And that's even without considering some tactical inconsistencies, shot selection and so on.

That's a very weak argument, Lemonshine. Tweak the report of the game clock by a couple of seconds and much of the argument disappears. So yeah, the way they report the game clock can be a little hinky ... but that is sort of irrelevant to whether BB is realistic or not.

Getting back on topic. Three competitors are about ready to bite the bullet in one way shape or form. and this game still has a lot larger pool of players.

This does not help this game at all obviously. Seems like all the similar games are falling back due to lack of investment/adaption to current technological standards. We haven't seen any real innovation or substantial addition to the game in years. Heck, we can't even change the jerseys or paint our arena floor.

offer a premium membership to the host gratis in exchange for a short segment each week hyping the site.

Offering $50 (not even cash) for a week of promotion? Let's try, but I am willing to bet internet money, you won't find any serious media outlet willing to do that.

show me a guy, a single guy, getting 5 consecutive Orebs in a game, then show me it happening in even the same league on another guy the same season. I have never seen it. 2 or 3 in a row sure. 5 in a row?

I never argued that they were by the same guy...you argued for it. In fact, before I edited I expressly said ORs by different players. And yes, 4-5 ORs happen at least once or twice a season. 3 in a row happen every single week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zuywGcPun4

Oh my, nitpick we shall, uh? Count how many inside shots there were in that Miami sequence...do you want me to qualify that in BB you get 5 ORs mostly on inside shots or mid range jumpers where given the low of physics a rebound is not going to bounce 15 feet away from the basket? Ok...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nVpqmOElxQ...I think as a team that counts up like 7 or 8 Orebs and 5 or so in a row for good old Pau. All in a VERY short span of time.

And you'd be wrong: by any reasonable standard that's 5 ORs for Gasol and the final good one, you should know how box scores work. That happened in the span of 10-13 seconds.

What happens unrealistically in BB is that in the span of a minute the same team keeps the ball attempting several shots out of a set, mostly at the rim or inside the 3pt line and rebounds all of them with various players. Those are not putbacks. Maybe I should have I clarified that what REGULARLY happens (not once in several thousand games) in this game is a mix of the Heat crashing the boards and the Lakers missing shots from under the basket? Ok I hope we're all on the same page now.

Saying guards can't Oreb FTs is an indication you are about on par with the original devs in your understanding of the game.
Here is an amazing one-

Nice try. Yao missed on purpose and regarding the other kid, it was a 1 and 1 FT, a rule that you have pretty much only in the NCAA and whose call was probably misunderstood by both teams. So that we're clear, 1 and 1 means that you don't shoot 2 FTs by default until you're in double bonus, otherwise you shoot the second only if you make the first shot. I have no idea what team foul that was and if the teams (both teams, since Oklahoma's guys did not move either) thought that Fields had 2 FTs. At any rate that's a situation that cannot happen anywhere in the world except for the NCAA and I'd be very surprised if in Japan you don't play by FIBA rules.

I have no idea what kind of kungfu rebounding techniques you teach your kids nor which rule book you use, since the rules in all competitive leagues clearly state that 5 players (and the FT shooter) have allocated places during a FT and the 4 players who are not in the FT slots outside the restricted area must stay behind the 3pt line and behind the extended FT line itself...so coming to Jordan (and Iverson) and those few others who did it:
a) they did not rebound their own misses (of course, since the shooter can't go past the FT line until the ball hits the rim)
b) several of those rebounds were actually violations as they entered the 3pt line before the ball was shot or were under the "extended" FT line (that's not Jordan's case obviously, but there are Harper's videos out there)t
In any case good luck teaching those Jordans and Iversons, when the role of the 3rd defensive player on the rebounding slots area is exactly to block the middle of the lane.

There are over 5,500 games in the NCAA every season and there are 1200 in NBA. You found 1 example of a PG rebounding a FT he intended to make (with NCAA wonky rules) in how many years? 10? So one in 65,000 games? Chance of 0.000015? In BB there are ca 177-195 games per team per season. I've seen it happen twice already this season, one on my English team (the opponent PG rebounded) and one on my Utopia team (my guard did). You do the math. Then if you want to nitpick that 2 in 80 is the same as 1 in 65000 and that 1 in 65000 is statistically different than