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I am not sure if the minutes are right in my last private league match

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Marin, we have a problem.

The blank line up prevention has a bug.

I did a line up for todays PL game (71935045) with "sfdc (genau nach Aufstellung)":

Pos. - Slot 1 - Slot 2 - Slot 3
PG - Dalla Ba - Dalla Ba - Dalla Ba
SG - Nahit - Nahit - Jägersteig
SF - Kiebitz - Kiebitz - Jägersteig
PF - Zejun - Sutherland - Sutherland
C - Haek - Sutherland - Sutherland

At the beginning of the game, the GE changed my line up:

Pos. - Slot 1 - Slot 2 - Slot 3
PG - Dalla Ba - Dalla Ba - Dalla Ba
SG - Kiebitz - Nahit - Nahit
SF - Haek - Haek - Haek
PF - Zejun - Zejun - Zejun
C - Sutherland - Jägersteig - Jägersteig

Only my PG played like he should and my PF started at the right position. Everything else was changed.
I understand that the GE changes the lineup if you play LCD, but not if the GE should follow the chart.

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 7/18/2014 5:11:45 PM

In this game something strange happend: (72396926)

I took 12 players for the game. The only position I assigned a player to was PG. The player Pascal Buchwald (Center) (32524137) was set as starter, backup and reserve at PG. I intentionally took a C to play at PG to see what the coach would do with him.

The starting lineup looked like that (copied from play by play):

POS Starting-Five
PG J. Zozaya
SG J. Selva
SF B. Penkov
PF G. Marasco
C P. Buchwald

So the coach ignored my choice for PG.

I double checked my lineup by loading it after the game and my instructions were saved.

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The next game is of my first team and there something similar happend: (71938043)

Simon Harberg (24899288), a PG was chosen as PG in all three positions. But the starting lineup from the play by play looked like that:

POS Starting-Five
PG R. Geugelin
SG S. Harberg
SF G. Quellmelz
PF T. Harjans
C S. Hirschvogl

Simon played 34 minutes at SG, none at PG.

I checked the submitted lineup by loading it in a next game and my instructions have been saved.

In both matches the coaching choice was: let coach decide. If I understand the new code he should have let the chosen player play as starter at PG and the rest of the lineup should have been picked by him: the best player as backup / reserve at PG, and all the other positions filled with the best choice.

So in both games the coach totally ignored my instructions at PG-position. Do you have an explanation for that? Is it a bug?

My line up had 3 players. And 3 players played. No empty positions were filled up. I cannot see any difference... (???)

Whatever changes there were to the GE, they certainly affect more than BL/LCD.

I was using Strictly Follow and set both starters and backups in my Private League Game today. Here is the lineup I set, which I've confirmed after the fact by loading the former match tactics.

PG: T.Eller / B.Morse
SG: E.Riddick / M.Williams
SF: L.Kangguo / L.Givens
PF: A.Dzilums / F.McGovern
C: M.Georgiev / K.Tolbert

Here is what was used:

PG: T.Eller / B.Morse
SG: E.Riddick / L.Givens
SF: L.Kangguo / M.Williams
PF: M.Georgiev / F.McGovern
C: K.Tolbert / A.Dzilums

So at this point, it appears we really have almost no control over our lineups with this new GE. lol

Whatever changes there were to the GE, they certainly affect more than BL/LCD.

I was using Strictly Follow and set both starters and backups in my Private League Game today. Here is the lineup I set, which I've confirmed after the fact by loading the former match tactics.

PG: T.Eller / B.Morse
SG: E.Riddick / M.Williams
SF: L.Kangguo / L.Givens
PF: A.Dzilums / F.McGovern
C: M.Georgiev / K.Tolbert

Here is what was used:

PG: T.Eller / B.Morse
SG: E.Riddick / L.Givens
SF: L.Kangguo / M.Williams
PF: M.Georgiev / F.McGovern
C: K.Tolbert / A.Dzilums

So at this point, it appears we really have almost no control over our lineups with this new GE. lol

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I was the other team playing in this match referenced above and I did a completely blank lineup with 10 players on my roster. My minutes for my starters were somewhat strange as I had three players with 43- 44 minutes and two in the thirties. One of my 40+ minute players got hurt in the last minute so an injury could not have been the cause for the extra minutes played by the other starters. All players that played 40+ minutes had inept stamina.

Last edited by Prof. Bricks at 7/18/2014 11:20:00 PM

Just wondering - how we can see detailed minutes per player per position from private league games? It would be much easier to see results of the new code....

We can see those from weekly stats for league/cup games by saving those after every game......I know that supporters can also see Play-by-Play and then calculate manually from there.

So very hard to see what has happen in my last PL game. (68934620)
-> PG spot empty, others selected - "Coach pick from Depth chart"
-> I see from Play-by-Play that one player was selected as PG starter, but he has played more in SG position where he was backup and reserve.
-> in stats, no one has played in PG position, minutes shared to several other positions....

PS. Other option for very complex player selection code would be making those lineup boxes mandatory (all) and if there is no player (only possible cases: player sold/fired/injury and manager has not saved lineup for the game after that) then lucky fan would take a place.

Same problems here: (71937548)
To cut it short: strictly follow, starters and backup were set, but the minutes don't fit at all.
If it is just for private league games, heck with it. But in league and cup i want to play and receive perfect training minutes, but with the GE mixing minutes all around it won't succeed!

Sounds like this needs to go back to the drawing board.


I have always used a BL and built my team to give the 'coach' options, true 1,3, and 4's are hard to come by, especially for someone who has done a poor job of cash management and who has to work on a tight leash financially. Therefore my team tends to be a lot of 2's and 5's who are pliable, I subscribe to the George Allen school in that I prefer older players, do zero training of the youth. But I also ascribe to the Dean Smith school of situation substitutions and the BL truly allows me to best fill that vision.


Now how will this affect teams constructed such as mine? Will this result in needing to make sure to always keep the scubs inactive in order to avoid having them installed at innoportune times?

Oh well, guess it does no good to kvetch, guess it looks likes I am going to be singing a new tune come next season


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QV6FpYfbn0

Hello,

this is how I played from season 2 to season 18 in Brazil, playing more than 10 seasons in the first league, winning the cup once, being league runner up twice, being u-21 coach and training quite a few successful NT players from many nationalities:

9 players
1 starter 1 backup for 4 positions
1 starter no backup for the position I'm training
strictly follow
do not substitute in case of foul trouble

this lead to a lot of sacrifice in terms of team performance, however my training was maximized (90% of time I was able to train 3 players/week in a single position). an excellent tradeoff.

after almost 2 years I came back to BB and it is still the greatest online game ever.

i would like to know if this new engine would prevent me to train my players like described above. let me know asap, please. if yes i'll just quit right now. thx.

Another week, another test, both games with LCD:

Utopia team: (72396928)

12 players were selected to play.

The lineup was set this way:

PG: Buchwald / Buchwald / Buchwald
all other slots were empty.

That's the lineup taken from the play-by-play:
POS Starting-Five
PG J. Zozaya
SG J. Selva
SF B. Penkov
PF G. Marasco
C G. Walsh

Buchwald played 11 mins as Center.

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First team: (71938051)

12 players were selected to play.

The lineup was set this way:

PG: Stoebner / Stoebner / Stoebner
SG: empty
SF: - / Wildenhain / Wildenhain
PF: empty
C: empty

That's the lineup taken from the play-by-play:

POS Starting-Five
PG S. Harberg
SG R. Geugelin
SF G. Quellmelz
PF T. Harjans
C S. Hirschvogl

Stoebner played 15 minutes as PG, Wildenhain played 11 mins as C.

Still the same things happening as last week. Any idea?

Last edited by LA-Karangula at 7/25/2014 3:25:53 PM