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If there were an easy way to introduce the height effect in a more realistic way than it is, without making the game much harder, I´m pretty sure they would try it.

The height system is in fact pretty realistic.
A smaller guy is able to rebound as good as a taller one, he just has to work harder for it, which is reflected in BB in training.
Just in the top leagues, he won't be able to compete with the big guys who work as hard as he does. And this will be more and more reflected in the coming seasons.

The only thing imo could be done to create a height mismatch, is condition:
- a small guy playing down could have a slight penalty on condition (has to jump relatively higher than his big opponent with the same rebounding level, which forces him to use more energy)
- a big guy playing a small guy outside has to run/turn more which he is physically less adapted for, so he also loses a bit more condition.

This system should be a compromise for the people that keep on going about the mismatch, although personally I think it's fine as it is.

I also think that the current system is quite good, and of course your suggestions are also OK.

But when I prepare a match, I check my adversary's players. I check their statistics and ratings, their form and the position where they usually play. I try to find the weak and strong points of him. But at any moment, I check the height of the players because the height is only affecting to the owner of the player in terms of training speed.

In my opinion, in real basket, a coach will always take into account the height of the other players. Because there is an intrinsic physical advantage on it which is not depending on the training. That's what I try to mean when I say that this could be improved.

A second improvement related to this, will give more importance to the blocking skill of centers, which should be able to block shots of every player trying to get into the zone (not only his positional partner).

In my opinion, in real basket, a coach will always take into account the height of the other players. Because there is an intrinsic physical advantage on it which is not depending on the training. That's what I try to mean when I say that this could be improved.

I can't see how this argument is more solid than "in real basketball, a coach will always take into account the skills of the player". The height of certain guys gives them an advantage in picking up those skills, which is adequately reflected in the current BB system.

The only thing BB doesn't capture with the current approach is coaches who keep inferior 7-footers on their roster just because this means extra 6 fouls on Shaq when he comes to town. Frankly, I don't see how this is a big loss

I think some people give too much importance to height in a basketball game in real life.

If height was that much important Manute Ball would be the best player of all times and not Michael Jordan.

Better yet, Manute Ball would have to be better rebounder than Shaq or Rodman for instance.

And remember that Manute Ball played in the NBA, therefore I guess he had the proper training witha lvl 10 coach :P

And last but not least, if you consider heigth, u would have to consider, speed, strength, agility and other phisical aspects that aren't implemented in the game.

I think that would not make a better BuzzerBeater, and even based on real life height is not allways a good thing... Have seen lots of 7'xx guys that are really just crappy players... ;)

Just my 2 cents in a good discussion so far... ;)

This is the problem that you guys just don’t get. I never said the taller the player the better he is. I said when my best post player with a level 10 inside score with a level 10 rebounding has to play someone he is taller than and I doubt had 8 or more in either rebounding or inside defense that he should be able to go off. The same way Shaq did for years over smaller centers as well. Shaq usually had a 4inch height difference and my center had 10 inches.

This has nothing to do with manute, chuck nevit, Mark Eaton or and other tall center compared to any other players. Also those players had specialties as each one of hem dominated in blocks. That’s why they stuck around

So please if you disagree with me that’s fine but stop changing the topic into height rules or something of that nature. I just don’t think that real low post players should be getting pushed around by players playing out of position.

That is why weight should be added cause if you have a center with good skills who weighs allot then most short players can’t push him out of the way.

shaq would be lvl 18 at least with lvl 8 FT

Rodman and Wallace are the minority in real life. And here we are letting everyone make their weird mismatches the majority

Your money boy and you don't play in the NBA which you like as a comparision ... but take a look at weaker leagues, which represents the quality from most players here - their a big guys which plays under their potential and smallerr guys who don't make it not becuase of their ability to play because of their hight. So the big guys could get in the higher leagues if they train hard the small one would play in low devisions ...

But you had to think that you don't draft Le Bron James etc., here all player starts as a low level and have to train long to reach the top and this road would become longer because the actually top player get their training to reach a top level.

The other possibility was introducing high, and stop training at proficient so that new draft could compete from start on.

that is not a reason why it cant be changed. Maybe you dont understand my question. You say it cant be changed. Why cant it be changed. I understand how it works. I disagree with it but that is a different story.

Why cant it be changed . Why should this not be part of the game. What is the reasoning that you say it cant be changed. And please stop giving one liners that you think makes it obvious and explain with details on why it cant or have someone who can explain why it cant be implemented.

Thank you

Because it works another way, people pay good money to current good but small inside players, others who don't spend money on then and maybe got high player will profit from it ... You will change the current system the game works dramatically, which makes your former decision to a lottory. Thats crap in a longterm game.

Especially if you play this game with an long term aspect you will see the height distirbution you like to see. So maybe you are playing the wrong game if you can't look two steps ahead.

I use examples of the NBA because people know who they are and they use the same examples I figured you would understand that.

As for the debate it does not matter if we talk the NBA, College, High School, Euroleague, ULEB Cup, or any league from division 1-5 in any country.
It is a known thing that players in the low post have an easier time scoring over shorter players. If you have a level 10 guard in inside defense who is 6'6 and is playing a 7'2 center with a level 10 inside scoring the level 10 should have a slight advantage because he can shoot over him. If they are going head to head all game long. If it is off a switch then it’s a play here and there and no big deal.

If you want to tell me the 6’6 player is athletic and can leap and the 7'3 player is overweight and can’t move ok fine but that means if he gets position on particular plays it is a basket or foul. For you to make the argument that it will work its way out in a few years we will see.

The point is that in real life which this game is based on at any level where teams train 4-5 times a week they have players who take advantage of mismatches in the low post as guards take advantage against bigger guards who can’t move as well.

Add weight to the game to know which small players can go down low and which big men can’t go outside as a general move will add to this game and make it more tactical.

That is what basketball is. Finding a tactical advantage for your team to win and when I have solid player with a huge height advantage he should be able to exploit it. Not buying the 5 best players and throwing on the court not caring who plays where and who they guard.

the inside defense from 10 is even harder to reach for the small guy ;) And i giving you exampel of an 1.84cm center, where you just saying that he plays on 3 or 2 because they are bigger players inr oster without even seen a game from it, or looking into google.

And yes he could even defense bigger guys in our league ... he is not normal, thats why he got the nick "mr. incredible", but those players ain't normal here to.