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56772.96 in reply to 56772.95
Date: 2/23/2009 9:41:33 AM
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So what are you saying that you can not manage the italian 4-th league? Should you be able to play as equal with div1 teams after one season in BB? I started this game a this season aswell and I think I can play in div3 next season. I'm not sure I can win it but I will prolly not relegate. Can I build my arena and train my players and make some trades on the TL -> yes! It will take time before I get to the top but that also takes time in RL.

I'm quite satisfied of my level(in two season i won my V division and arrived 2nd at the first year in the fourth division).And i'm not saying that i want in two or thre season to reach the level of the top italian or deutch or spanish teams.But,as gm brianjames says,i see an economic unbalance,because nowadays,without expenses,some teams earn a great amount of money who gave them an enormous advatange which continue to grow very week.Now,I'm waiting for the salary updating,I want see if situation changes
P.S. Look at the difference of level between by IV division and the your :D

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 2/23/2009 9:43:25 AM

From: brian

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You have any idea the amount of time it will take to generate the funds to develop a 40k, 50k, or more arena? Oh, and then you have to develop a team of players that might have a value of double that arena.

Oh, and by the time you develop all this, teams that are already at that goal will be gaining faster then you can.

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Date: 2/23/2009 10:02:39 AM
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Basically it took him 6 seasons ofcourse. So he has an advantage on me with his arena and players. Now what you are suggesting is that if a players started in season 4 and I started in season 5 and we both made exactly the same decisions I should still catch him because that is fair game?

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Date: 2/23/2009 10:13:31 AM
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In my example i can say that the building of my arena took a lot of time and especially in the beginning of this game other teams won the trophies. So if you want to cut down my arena, so please give me the titels i was not winning due to focussing on infrastructure.

I hope you see that point, everyone had the choice, which way he wanted to go.

From: brian

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Now what you are suggesting is that if a players started in season 4 and I started in season 5 and we both made exactly the same decisions I should still catch him because that is fair game?


What?

I'm suggesting that teams that have been here since the first couple seasons, took advantage of the time when there was:

-fewer competitive teams
-much greater revenue streams and much lower expenses (with net profits many times what is being earned today)
-starting at the top divisions, not the lower ones

These teams that managed well during this time can now take create a competitive advantage, by building massive arenas (much larger then you'd ever see in real life), over teams that started just a few seasons later that will create a gap that is nearly insurmountable.


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From: brian

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Date: 2/23/2009 10:21:33 AM
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Again, i think the game is where it is now, the best teams in the long term will need to have 40k+ arenas. It's not fair to change that now for the teams that have pioneered to this level by adding an arena tax or putting a cap on revenue below the nearly 700k you can expect per game now (not including taxes). It's not fair to make the price of expansion greater for the teams that are starting later or trying to catch up.

But, BB's could put a cap on revenue or adjust the formula's now, or we might be having this same discussion in the future about 60 or 70k arenas.

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Date: 2/23/2009 10:30:53 AM
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But, BB's could put a cap on revenue or adjust the formula's now, or we might be having this same discussion in the future about 60 or 70k arenas.


Well this could be an idea maybe related to the PR level (lvl 2 arena max 30k - lvl 3 arena 40k)

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Date: 2/23/2009 10:38:50 AM
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but you also have that problem in italy, where people have 30 mio + rooster, you can't get then in short time and i would also say, that you could handle with big arena in low divisions fast to get at this level instead of keeping just investing in players.

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Date: 2/23/2009 10:40:35 AM
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Wow, and just how many teams you are talking about?
- How many teams were there first 3 seasons?
- How many of them still play?
- How many of the still active teams took the right decisions back then which provided them with some extra cash and have used it to expand the stadium?

In my opinion there are a few good managers who are there from the start and made choices to develop their team within the line of the rules. No reason for any form of punishment at present.

I suspect there will be a cap for spectators to reach. It is defined by the season ticket holders.


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From: brian

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Date: 2/23/2009 11:02:13 AM
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but in my view you're making the same mistake here that many late-starting users make when they're complaining that they can't catch up with the top teams in the game. Of course they can't nor should they.Everybody has to be competitive only with the people in his league and maybe have a chance to catch the people in the next higher league.


True, but the concern I'm trying to raise is that as teams promote into the top level they will not be able to compete, or that the amount of time needed to build a team that can be reasonably competitive will be so long it won't be worth playing.

"Well, no ones gonna top that." - http://tinyurl.com/noigttt
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