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show me a guy, a single guy, getting 5 consecutive Orebs in a game, then show me it happening in even the same league on another guy the same season. I have never seen it. 2 or 3 in a row sure. 5 in a row?
I never argued that they were by the same guy...you argued for it. In fact, before I edited I expressly said ORs by different players. And yes, 4-5 ORs happen at least once or twice a season. 3 in a row happen every single week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zuywGcPun4
Oh my, nitpick we shall, uh? Count how many inside shots there were in that Miami sequence...do you want me to qualify that in BB you get 5 ORs mostly on inside shots or mid range jumpers where given the low of physics a rebound is not going to bounce 15 feet away from the basket? Ok...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nVpqmOElxQ...I think as a team that counts up like 7 or 8 Orebs and 5 or so in a row for good old Pau. All in a VERY short span of time.
And you'd be wrong: by any reasonable standard that's 5 ORs for Gasol and the final good one, you should know how box scores work. That happened in the span of 10-13 seconds.

What happens unrealistically in BB is that in the span of a minute the same team keeps the ball attempting several shots out of a set, mostly at the rim or inside the 3pt line and rebounds all of them with various players. Those are not putbacks. Maybe I should have I clarified that what REGULARLY happens (not once in several thousand games) in this game is a mix of the Heat crashing the boards and the Lakers missing shots from under the basket? Ok I hope we're all on the same page now.


Saying guards can't Oreb FTs is an indication you are about on par with the original devs in your understanding of the game.
Here is an amazing one-
Nice try. Yao missed on purpose and regarding the other kid, it was a 1 and 1 FT, a rule that you have pretty much only in the NCAA and whose call was probably misunderstood by both teams. So that we're clear, 1 and 1 means that you don't shoot 2 FTs by default until you're in double bonus, otherwise you shoot the second only if you make the first shot. I have no idea what team foul that was and if the teams (both teams, since Oklahoma's guys did not move either) thought that Fields had 2 FTs. At any rate that's a situation that cannot happen anywhere in the world except for the NCAA and I'd be very surprised if in Japan you don't play by FIBA rules.

I have no idea what kind of kungfu rebounding techniques you teach your kids nor which rule book you use, since the rules in all competitive leagues clearly state that 5 players (and the FT shooter) have allocated places during a FT and the 4 players who are not in the FT slots outside the restricted area must stay behind the 3pt line and behind the extended FT line itself...so coming to Jordan (and Iverson) and those few others who did it:
a) they did not rebound their own misses (of course, since the shooter can't go past the FT line until the ball hits the rim)
b) several of those rebounds were actually violations as they entered the 3pt line before the ball was shot or were under the "extended" FT line (that's not Jordan's case obviously, but there are Harper's videos out there)t
In any case good luck teaching those Jordans and Iversons, when the role of the 3rd defensive player on the rebounding slots area is exactly to block the middle of the lane.

There are over 5,500 games in the NCAA every season and there are 1200 in NBA. You found 1 example of a PG rebounding a FT he intended to make (with NCAA wonky rules) in how many years? 10? So one in 65,000 games? Chance of 0.000015? In BB there are ca 177-195 games per team per season. I've seen it happen twice already this season, one on my English team (the opponent PG rebounded) and one on my Utopia team (my guard did). You do the math. Then if you want to nitpick that 2 in 80 is the same as 1 in 65000 and that 1 in 65000 is statistically different than

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Drummond, Jordan (DeAndre) and co. In any case ask trainerman about his kids and if it is realistic that anyone misses 1300+ FT in a row...like this: http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/4621241/careerstats.as...

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I mentioned those 50 seconds possessions just because it clearly shows that something does not add up and it's either a problem with the viewer or with the GE.

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You don't need to start on training to see completely unrealistic things. Patient with a guard playing C or PF and taking 50-60 shots happens all the time in BB, irrespective of training.

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This does not help this game at all obviously. Seems like all the similar games are falling back due to lack of investment/adaption to current technological standards. We haven't seen any real innovation or substantial addition to the game in years. Heck, we can't even change the jerseys or paint our arena floor.
I agree.

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Hate to break it to yall but falling user numbers has nothing to do with the realism of the game engine.

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I'm not saying its 100% realistic but then neither are the 2k games, which run on next gen consoles and are developed with millions of dollars..


Realism really, really isn't the issue with people leaving though.

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User numbers aren't really falling now (weren't)
If they fall soon it would be probably economic balance issues I guess

For the historical drop/lack of BB catching on. I would say perhaps its not the GE, but the lack of one ( a good one ) and a lack of tactic balances etc. that plays into other realism/counterintuitive issues with how teams are run, training, how the market works etc.


The engine is and even LI dominance is the least we have to worry about honestly.

Considering LI: if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Easy as that.

Lack of realism? GE is pretty good, start fixing it with adressing the issue that there are Players that have a pure 0 in a skill and for example won't hit a free throw for 30 straight seasons, or average 0 assists for their career. With this super slow training and the marginal usefulness of some skills, those are freaking annoyances that need to get wiped out. And for the love of god please spare me with "arguments" like "mimimi, you just need one training to make him shoot 20%"

Those GE-bugs that that happen every couple of games have been around for years and people have accepted the reality that those will stick around for another decade if only...

...the servers keep running.

What worries me most right now are the extremely long calculations that seem to become the new Standard - like rookies/draft being calculated between allstarbreak and offseason. Thats just a bad sign.

Server is slow as a snail on Monday morning recently. Why is that? Offseason processing?

Also those half-hearted attempts at fixing problems bother me a lot - just Show some balls and do it right once every while.

As it is now, there are no developers availiable and Marin - in my opinion - is only an admin tweaking some numbers here and there, continuing the good old: "we won't tell you, you have to find out, because it's fun that way policy." I accept that is probably the only thing he can do, with the time and money availiable.

I really don't know why I get so emotional, when it comes to that game, but seeing a great product being abandoned and as it seems the owners let it die on purpose, or at least accept that it might be gone pretty soon, makes me really angry.

Probably just because I am an oldschool gamer who does not find any entertainment in those new games that are flooding the market. I am not giving up the hope that we will see like 50k+ users again.

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