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I hsould be nicer to you, back when I was daytrading regularly, guys like you were my customers.

...this is coming from one of the most successfull trainers of the last couple seasons.

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You are clueless, completely clueless.

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My bad, I totally missed that :)

Finally, I will look for your 13+ OD under 150k...plenty.

Actually there is nine. How many also have sensational passing? None. None of the auctions even finish in the next 23 hours, funny that. They are just guys who have been listed low, not sold low. Several of those guys (who are not as good as the examples I gave) have TPEs and guess what, all but one are around a million and the one who doesn't is exactly the sort of guy you hate a JS monster, as well as being really old. He is the only one who will come close so I have bookmarked him and we shall see tomorrow his actual sale price.

Well the auction is over and the WORST player like the ones we discussed has sold. Did he sell for $150k like you said or $1,000,000 like I said (remembering that he is 5 years older than my examples and actually didn't have as good skills as my examples). Drum roll....

Transfer 9/25/2011 17 Purchased from mandy922 for $ 873 200

Nikolay Telichan (4492337)
Shooting Guard
Owner: Silesian Suns
Weekly salary: $ 44 823
Age: 30
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: perennial allstar

So FAR older and worse than my examples, obviously a one off, but yet another piece of evidence. You could create 3 players much better than him in 4 seasons from an initial investment of less than $100,000. That is a profit of at least $3,000,000 (but I still think closer to $4,000,000 in profit after costs) which for a division V team I would think could be useful as opposed to hiring mono-skilled expensive old guys and getting stuck at the bottom of division IV forever. That is not even taking into consideration that in seasons three and four the team would have access to those players to win games and in important weeks train JS or 1on1 and play all three of them in competitive matches.

I can't even remember what the point of the argument was except a debate about the cost of 12/12/12 players and if they are actually useful or not.

Last edited by yodabig at 9/25/2011 7:27:15 PM

but you could train much more valuable, and raise the value higher even of cheap trainees. Then i would also go for a level four trainer, which basically cost nostthing to aquire and have a 25% lower salary on trainers.

What about the incomes for using players from the draft and from your country? The sales and tickets have a boost for using national players... Shouldn't that be taken into account in the equation?

depends on your luck at the draft, personally i think it is not always easy to draft rookie who fit well into your trainee concept(i like when the weaknesses of your players fit together, or fit into the concept)

I've always been able to make a consistent profit from the draft. Personally, it'd be extremely rare for me to keep a trainee from the draft but I'm certainly in the business of simply flipping short dudes for 800k-1.2million every season.

Yeah, I can usually make quite a chunk of dough out of the draft selling guys. Not quite that much, but definitely more than I spent each year on scouting for it.

I think we had this discussioin in another thread somewhere when I pointed out that the BEST player in my league draft last season sold for less than that and the second best sold for $30,000 and the third best for $3,000. You are having a run of totally incredible luck. It happens. I have had it too. But it isn't the normal thing.

A lot to read and I am quite tired so instead of responding in detail as I normally would I will just try to restate my position.

1) Buy 3 x 19 year olds right after the draft with good skills and at least allstar potential (probably can do better). Spend a max of $25,000 on each.

2) Buy a level 4 fitness trainer, should be able to get one with less than $20,000 a week salary for less than $25,000.

3) Total initial investment is less than $100,000. We can forget the wages because they will be playing for the team but we will have to pay for the trainer so lets say 4 seasons = 56 x$20,000 - 1,120,000 which is quite a lot.

4) Train for 4 seasons so at age 19, 20, 21 and 22. Always single position where possible. With some 1on1, some JS but remember our target was 12/12/12. Lots of people claim numbers like 14 pops a season or 12 lets stick to a more modest 10 average.

5) Assuming an average of average in all starting skills. 6,6,6,6,6,6.

6) About a season of OD will take it to 12 easily and get say 3 secondary pops say 1 each in JS, HA and DR. 9 total.
About 2/3 of a season of PA will take that to 12 easily leaving time for a couple of pops in JR. Will get another HA and DR. 10 total.
A season of 1on1, this is pop central, should be able to get at least 4 pops in each of JS, HA and DR. 12 total.

The three players are already like this:
11/8/12/11/11/12
and we have another entire season left to cover inuries, foul outs, incompetent training, get one more JS pop, 2 more JR and why not get HA and DR to 12 each as well. 5 total!

7) Surely we can agree this is not amazing training, but very average. 9, 10, 12 and 5 pops is not impressive.

This makes the player sensational in all primaries but for prominent JR and lets go for mediocre in all secondaries. My salary calculator makes him a $34,706 PG.

8) Sell. We has long discussions about this but I still think this player will sell for at least a million, and if he had high potential (a 6'0" 4k superstar with good starting skills drafted from my league sold for $3,000 this season) lets say superstar he could easily be worth $2,000,000. After 4 seasons tax will be close to 0.

f you sell all three you are making about a minimum of $2,000,000 profit at worst up to $5,000,000 at best. More than a million a year extra profit for a division V team. Seems good to me.

9) My opinion. I would never sell all those guys myself. Instead I would keep two and sell one so that I can start again with big men and have better trainees but that final decision doesn't matter. It is the business model I am discussing.

Feel free to point out any flaws I am happy to discuss this at further length and I am still also holding one trump card close to my chest.