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Whoever wins the final, the fact that in the final are two teams from macro nations, we can safely assume that micro nations are NOT favored in this game. Take a look at the last 10 seasons. Most of them are won by teams that have exceptionally <1000 users.

In fact, being in a micro nation myself (only around 31 users ATM), I can tell that we are being "punished" somehow. Having less merchandise income than big nations, having somehow lower income from arena, and definitely having less cup games, isn't helping us at all (even to bulk, as some of you would say).


Good luck to Młoty Stargard in the final, amazing performance for a team with those salaries.

Perpete is right. The 55 smallest countries combined only add up to 4.57% of all BB users, and are smaller than Hellas (4.63%), the 7th biggest country. Furthermore, there are only 9 countries with over 1,000 users, but they make up 57% of the BB community.

Last edited by ______ (NZ National Team) at 12/12/2013 10:59:38 AM

I agree, this BB season is a good indicator. It's not like micronation teams have some massive edge. They do have a better tanking option, but also somewhat smaller incomes.

Furthermore, those announced changes should punish tanking, we'll soon see what's up with that.

And yeah, impressive season by polish team Stargard. Good luck and congratulations to manager!

Great final battle we will see this wednesday! Go Stargard!

Big country clubs will have more revenue, but they face 15 others big teams to gain their place to the BBB. Laying low isn't easy at all and usually result in going down.

I confirm this statement. I had to have 750k roster only to stay in D.I. Championship pretenders are usually in red numbers for at least second half of the season. It's very difficult to train young players in D.I, so when your players get old, you have to rebuild from transfer list. Basically you are stagnating.

Compare this to micronations - you have not only 400k+ profit per week, but also the chance to train whatever you like. It would take only one devoted and smart manager in micronation to dominate BBB for several seasons.

Enough with this. This is actually getting pretty annoying ("micronations are favored by the game"). Micronations do NOT have any favors compared to big countries. We have:

- less merchandise (= less income)

- less Tv Contract ( = less income)

- less cup matches ( = less income)

- less stadium attend (= less income)

To make things even more difficult, the "few" how you would call micro teams, are really strong. Take a look at my opponent. He has almost 1.1kk player salaries, with 14-15 IS rating in match, and 12-13 ID and OD, and 10 offensive flow ratings.

Interestingly enough, i saw a few game ratings finals in macro nations, and most of them are weaker than our final.

Long story short, things are pretty tough in micro nations. And its getting more unfair every season it goes. This has to stop, it's just not normal. I won the cup, i have a record of 20-2 win/loss ratio, only have 630k salaries, low salaries of staff, and in the end of the week i only win 100k more or less. At very least, stop using us as an excuse for your "not being in B3".

I personally think micronations are being persecuted economically. And it's easy to see why (look above).

Whoa, did I touch a nerve there? And making up things? Had a rough night or something?

You want to win the league, which never results in much profit. However look at Albanian Eagles: 6th place with 336k salary. 7 wins! This team would go 0-22 in our league or any other bigger country. Not to mention salary floor in our league is 400k.

So let's do a bit of math what could a smart manager do in this situation:

Expenses:
Salaries: 336k
Staff: 70k

Income:
Arena: 400k
Merch: 80k
TV: 190k

That's 264k of profit right there without cup money, and he reaches 6th place. That's what I'm talking about. Smart manager could easily make 250k/week in this league and not relegate for 3-4 seasons, accumulate rougly 10M and go for B3 title. Oh, and train youngsters along the way.

Can you imagine someone in big country getting 10M in four seasons AND not relegate from D.I? Is this enough of proof for you?

At very least, stop using us as an excuse for your "not being in B3".

I never said that. Either you misunderstood or intentionally wrote that, which makes you a troll. Also your underestimation of others is silly.

That said, your post reminded me why I don't post in global anymore. Some people way over their head who think they know everything really annoy me.

Last edited by Koperboy at 12/18/2013 4:42:03 AM

Well, I didn't call you a troll or so, so it's best to keep words like that outside the discussion. But, as far as troll goes, let's see who is the real one here:

1. your math for one, is totally wrong. First the salary floor is higher here (around 365k). Secondly, since you took a concrete example, The Albanian Eagles, he doesn't make 400k from arena. Make the calcs yourself, it doesn't go even 280k.

2. Both Merch (i only get 60k from merch, and i won the cup and have many titles) and TV are lower in my division.

- Considering point 1 and 2, not only he doesn't get 250 profit, but probably he looses in weekly report.

So yeah, what else can I tell to you. Sure, take a look at B3. Teams from macronations are dominating B3 (take a look at the last 10 seasons) and that should say smth to you.

@GMPetite

It's true, he got the expensive players in the last few weeks. However, in the mid season there were two other teams that were competing with me for the cup. One with almost 1 kk salaries and all national players.

Besides, I think having a stable team all season long is more economically beneficial (you get HCA and more income from arena) that buying a few players near the end of the season.

I knew I shouldn't get in discussion with you because you don't even care to read correctly what I've written. I said "smart manager", which means buying NT players (which raise your merch) and building a proper arena. So your salary floor is 365k and Tv money is not exactly 190k. This means 8.5M in 4 seasons instead of 10M. Is my math really so wrong??

And your argument about number of teams from micronations, please...give me a break. Less competition = less smart managers, is this so hard to understand? The scottish team is getting advice from other players and almost won it all; Venomous Scorpions can decide on a whim he wants to win B3, and he does it; and you complain about your salary, while in our D.II you have to have more than 600k salary in order to advance to D.I.

I guess I can throw 100 other arguments at you and you will still think you are right. Because of that I'm getting out of conversation. Not worth my time.

Last edited by Koperboy at 12/18/2013 6:38:29 AM