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181900.99 in reply to 181900.98
Date: 5/12/2011 9:41:26 AM
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without is is it already the case.

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181900.100 in reply to 181900.99
Date: 5/13/2011 1:59:11 AM
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u guys think too much

LI and LP can be defend by 2-3 straight up < proved
and also by 3-2 < by limiting the touch the inside post players got

the problem most 2-3 zone player got is his ID rating over opponent IS rating and still lose the game
but the rating is highly faked because the SF (usually weaker ID) is placed inside
2-3 works only when ur opponent have an outside player that went inside
2-3 wont work when none of u defender has high enough ID that can match up the opponent's high IS

Last edited by myToast at 5/13/2011 1:59:55 AM

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181900.102 in reply to 181900.100
Date: 5/13/2011 6:15:57 AM
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u guys think too much

LI and LP can be defend by 2-3 straight up < proved
and also by 3-2 < by limiting the touch the inside post players got

the problem most 2-3 zone player got is his ID rating over opponent IS rating and still lose the game
but the rating is highly faked because the SF (usually weaker ID) is placed inside
2-3 works only when ur opponent have an outside player that went inside
2-3 wont work when none of u defender has high enough ID that can match up the opponent's high IS


U don't read too much.

We already have tested 2-3 with a good SF, ID over 11(also OD like 16-17), SG ID over 8 and 2-3 doesn't work. Even if you play with OD's around 15-16 and nice ID, the 2-3 makes you lose lot of OD, you can't stop the inside players(make around 50% of FG), but you also can't stop their outside players.


And i'll repeat, you can't design a zone that ask you a TOP level skills that only some teams can have, when 3-2 works pretty good with any normal player.

Why this imbalance between zones, why 3-2 is so easy to set and 2-3 is that hard to make it work????

And if BB's wanna leave the 2-3 just for some high ranked teams, then the others managers we deserve a new inside zone that works as 3-2 does but in the inside focus.

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181900.104 in reply to 181900.103
Date: 5/13/2011 7:00:02 AM
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Sorry did i say something about IS 20? No

So what if you play against a JS 22, JR 13, an OD 17 can stop it, while an ID 17 can't stop an IS 20.

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181900.106 in reply to 181900.102
Date: 5/13/2011 10:25:41 AM
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i can defend High IS with half the salary successfully

2-3 zone give up on OD,
so is 3-2 give up on REB

the advantage of 2-3 is you can pace one high ID and REB player in the middle and take care all the inside duty.
getting a good SF in the corner of a 2-3 can't prevent a High IS opponent banging inside ur weaker ID player.

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181900.107 in reply to 181900.102
Date: 5/13/2011 12:11:50 PM
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Once again - you're saying that 2-3 is flawed because at the top levels, it requires players that are rare in BB.

The solution to this is for managers to train more of said players. Not to alter the zone, unless the zone fails while using those players.

For those who get killed by guards with good JS in the 2-3, that's the point. The 2-3 gives the other team a lot of open shots, especially from three. Never use it against a good shooting team! That's basketball 101.

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181900.108 in reply to 181900.16
Date: 5/14/2011 10:30:00 AM
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In other words, if you're finding that your 2-3 zone is being torn apart by a point guard getting to free throw line, forcing the shot blocker to come out and challenge him, then slipping a pass to a cutter for an easy bucket, that's really not the shot blocker's fault, at least not unless you'd rather him give guards open 10-footers.
How about putting in a calculation there over whether there will be an offensive charge, and players with high shotblocking will have a better chance of drawing the charge I guess relative to the opponent's handling and driving? If the chance of the offensive charge is already there (because I have seen a number of offensive fouls lately), you could just increase the probability for those with high shotblocking. I've always thought of the shotblocking skill as help defense, and this can represent an important element of help defense.

On a side note, while I think a change to the 2-3 zone would be nice, I'd really appreciate that any changes be made with at least a season's notice. So if you plan on making changes, please annoounce it in the offseason and wait 'til season 18.

Last edited by Fresh24 at 5/14/2011 10:31:21 AM

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