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From: gooziec
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251520.782 in reply to 251520.781
Date: 6/1/2020 9:16:45 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
542542
Any thoughts?
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Date: 8/8/2020 3:57:34 PM
Overall Posts Rated:
14901490
This GE needs to be put in the trash bin. (111728332)

I'm not mad that I lost, I knew it could happen, but garbage time and -28 halfway through the 4th quarter, what the actual f..k? With such disparity in ratings in my favour across the board?

I have 96.4 PP100 at C and until the last 2 shots I had 10 points on twenty-freaking-five shots. Even with those 5 points the actual PP100 is just over 50 and note that the starting C has at least 20 TSP more than the next best player in that game (who may also be one of my players).

The SG position is another pearl: 6 points on 17 shots, good for 35 PP100 when the expected PP100 is 67.3. All the while, on the other side, every position except SF beats its PP100 handily and in some cases by 20.

And best of all, now you not only have rebounds out of bounds shifting possessions at random and often deciding games, but I personally witnessed several non shooting fouls happening between a missed shot and a rebound. Since when does this happen in such numbers? I had databases of entire seasons (176 games) and watched many games on the viewer and have never seen this. More GE fuckery?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/9/2020 7:36:12 AM

From: Mike
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251520.784 in reply to 251520.783
Date: 10/13/2020 5:22:17 PM
IceStar
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
614614
Second Team:
AlpenFlash Dunk Crew
Not the usual OMG how did I lose that...but just WTF!

Including injuries in the game is ok, but having so many in a row is just weird. How can you have extreme bad luck? I know, my doctor level is not the highest, but still I didn't have such cases before, that I have 4 injured players within 4 weeks.

Player 1: 19.09.2020 -> 8 days injured
Player 1: 29.09.2020 -> 8 days injured (again!!!)
Player 2: 06.10.2020 -> probably 8 days injured (?)
Player 3: 13.10.2020 -> 1 Week, probably 8 days injured


grrrr!!!!

From: yoyo42
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251520.785 in reply to 251520.784
Date: 10/21/2020 3:49:43 AM
Furania BC
II.1
Overall Posts Rated:
1818
Second Team:
Furania BC II
Hello, long time ago I had not leave a message in this thread.
(112061760)
Do you have an explanation, except the eternal normal vs TIE ? my opponent almost always plays in normal mode, so his enthusiasm should not be very high, unlike mine.
Teams and individuals rates are for me, HCA, enthousiam.
Thanks.

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Date: 10/21/2020 1:23:27 PM
Vilkiukai
III.9
Overall Posts Rated:
410410
Second Team:
Vilkiukai II
Toohard that player season stats unavailable, would have done deeper analysis.

Your PF totally destoyed his PF. His PF plays in a NT, i assume he is very offensive pronounced player. No wonder he was main guy offensively even if the offensive flow of his team was mediocre. His PF lack of stats in ID and RB diminish his ratings way more than the actual effect is. So his overall inside was much better than you think.

His offensive flow went OK because your PG seems to be alittle bit tree, i quess bad ID and maybe mediocre OD for div II. This hurted quite alot for you.

His players overall skill sum might be higher than yours even if the salaries lower, his shooting ability in PF, C and SF positions does not affect ratings basicly at all. For example most of my season matches like (112203848), i tend to have ridiculously bad stats and lower salaries and win games. In that match my pf is DIV I level shooter 18JS 15RJ, and C 17IS 17JS 120TSP probably 2 best guys offensively in entire league but stats ridiculously low because trash offensive players at PG and PF chucks stats down.

He just had way better matchups than you did. Looking at overall league standings and point difference +- overall, i cannot say he is significantly weaker.

Rankings means nothing. Tree players, especially playing their nominal positions, at which they have least advantages against oponent tends to skyrocket rankings. Basketball is a game of missmatches, Buzzerbeater too.

Last edited by Vilkai [LTU NT] at 10/21/2020 1:24:35 PM

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Date: 10/22/2020 5:45:04 AM
Furania BC
II.1
Overall Posts Rated:
1818
Second Team:
Furania BC II
My PG is 20 OD and 8 ID.
His C sub has a 14$ salary and he plays as much as the holder. My C (which has 16 IS) shot only 6 times, I cannot understand.

Last edited by yoyo42 at 10/22/2020 5:49:58 AM

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Date: 10/22/2020 12:34:35 PM
Vilkiukai
III.9
Overall Posts Rated:
410410
Second Team:
Vilkiukai II
My approach in the game against you would have been to attack your front with outside shooting. I would have played reverse patient. Your opponent took the same aproach. In this case it seems to be very effective.

Also looking at his games, losses mostly, if he loose, the loose by few points, all the games in the season for him was quite competetive. It is indication of well balanced and managed team.

20OD is surprising, 8ID toolow for defending against inside and some isolations, but in this case it desnt really matter.

Salary doesnt mean anything, i have 8k 14OD guy and used to have 15RB 15 ID guy of 16k salary

Bad shot distribution is usually of the lack of passing in PG spot or very high lack of passing in the other spots. It depends on the style mostly, but i generally dont want anyone in the team to have anything below lvl 7 passing. Also lack of passing in some positions leads to bad shots from wrong position.

Also your offensive flow might have been diminished if his SF-PF-C guys had good OD.

My aproach is that the lower the offensive capability, the higher the passing of player should be. Players in offense either shoot or pass the ball. So the starter should have either shooting of passing.

Anyways sometimes Game engine is hard to understand, sometimes i loose very unexpectedly too. But i have to admit that the suprising wins are as common as surprising losses


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251520.789 in reply to 251520.788
Date: 10/27/2020 12:20:14 PM
BC Rezervas
II.3
Overall Posts Rated:
112112
Second Team:
BC Rezervas 2
Someone tell me your thoughs about this stupid game engine.

http://buzzerbeater.com/match/113043259/boxscore.aspx

I understand stats look same but:

I played PATIENT, so my players should search missmatches, but my player with 220k salary and 140 TSP shoot 12 shoots and player with 120K salary shoot 6 shoots when my 4k salary player shoots 11 and others noob shoot 8 shoots. OTHER team played Base Offense and his SG/SF shoot almost all shoots against my 4k and 14k salary players, so who searched missmatches? Wtf is this stupid game engine? Where is no logic here.

And 220k player with 2.6kk dmi with BOTH defences fouled out against 40k salary bot?

Mocilnik Slovenian NT player cant score against Monoskilled 40k salary bot?

I am not even mad , this is too funny.

Last edited by Saimionas at 10/27/2020 12:23:30 PM

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Date: 11/2/2020 4:27:11 PM
Aittakorven Torjunta & Heitto
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
22122212
Second Team:
Moltas Matsson Academy
You had really bad problems with fouls. They scored 29 more points from the FT line. Your salary monster have been foul prone before, so you should expect that coming in every game. Sometimes 3-5 fouls, but 6 very often.

And patient does not work that way you descriped. It tries to play shots to your best outside scorer (JS+DR) and is NOT looking for mismatch. People who use reverse patient usually think so, because they have set line up like that they think they have shooter against opponents worst outside defender (usually C). And that's the thing usually, but don't expect that GE is looking other mismatches.

I don't have experience enough to talk about base offence, but seems that it works the way you tought patient will work.

And believe me, I have struggled with theese same issues, with my own team and with Finland NT.

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Date: 11/2/2020 5:44:57 PM
BC Rezervas
II.3
Overall Posts Rated:
112112
Second Team:
BC Rezervas 2
Appreciate your opinion.

It's a little bit funny how 40k salary player fouls out my 220k salary multiskilled big guy. It's so random.

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Date: 11/2/2020 5:50:21 PM
Aittakorven Torjunta & Heitto
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
22122212
Second Team:
Moltas Matsson Academy
Sure, but he have 3,7 fouls per game rating, and have been kicked to early shower 10 times this season, so it's not that big surprise at least for me.

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