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From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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324689.247 in reply to 324689.246
Date: 1/13/2025 10:05:37 PM
Wagner College
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Okay, let me try again...


Summary:
[...]
PPO: 5v12, 6v11, 7v10, 8v10 (Top4 teams exempt from this round)

***reseeding of teams still in the competition***

QF: 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5

***reseeding of teams still in the competition***

SF: 1v4, 2v3

F: Winner of 1v4 versus Winner of 2v3.


Starting to look good... :) Only three small things that I'd suggest (before heading to bed, it's later than 5AM in here), so:

- first just a small correction (8v9) at PPO stage, and
- then addition of bronze medal match (that I suggested in my previous message) before or simultaneously with the final match. Including a bronze medal match would allow more teams to reach "measurable" success, and allow us to keep a proper record of all time medal winners of homegrown league (and not winners of league-record only) which I'd find very interesting!
- also it's just about wording and as long as we have one meeting against same team per season it doesn't matter, but in "In the event that two teams meet with the same Win/Loss record, the winner of their previous game duirng the regualr season will be used to determine HCA." I'd change it to reflect that the winner of the regular season series (because likely 2 matches will be played against same opposition if there will be 2 different level league tiers, Premier League and Division for instance, in the future) will receive HCA - if wins are 1-1, then scoring difference in those two matches, if still tied scoring difference of the season, and if still tied after these then we could decide which is the next decisive factor (it's not the most urgent thing here, is it :)

From: MrJ

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324689.248 in reply to 324689.247
Date: 1/13/2025 10:18:22 PM
Swan River Serpents
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Westopian Tigers
Okay. Hopefully this is it [fingers crossed]

Summary:
-14 teams play in one League.
-The League starts at the beginning of Season 68.
-The League plays a 'Round Robin' for regular season (every team plays every other team in a random draw).
-During the PLAYOFFS (Pre-Playoff and Playoffs)...all playoff games are elimination games = You lose, you're out.
-At the conclusion of the 'regular' season, the top 4 teams have earned the right to skip the first round of pre-playoffs and go straight into the Quarter Finals (QF).
-Those teams who, at the end of the regular season, are ranked 5th - 12th, participate in 'Pre-Playoffs' (PPO) to ensure maximum participation.
-The winners of the PPO (Teams 5-12) then, together with the Top 4, compete in the QF.
-All teams re-seeded at this point.
-The winners of the QF go into the Semi Finals (SF)
-Reseeding again at this point.
-The winners of these SF games will then go into a 'Gold' medal game.
-The losers of these SF games will go into a 'Bronze' medal game.

-Home Court Advantage (HCA) applies to all Playoff games.
-In the event that two teams meet with the same Win/Loss record, the winner of their previous game(s) against each other during the regular season will be used to determine HCA. IF this is also tied, then point differential will be used.


PLAYOFFS SIMPLIFIED:

Key:
Pre-Playoff (PPO)
Quarter Final (QF)
Semi-Final (SF)


PPO: 5v12, 6v11, 7v10, 8v9 (Top4 teams exempt from this round)

***reseeding of teams still in the competition prior to QF*** then...

QF: 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5

***reseeding of teams still in the competition prior to SF*** then...

SF: 1v4, 2v3

Gold & Bronze Games: 1v2, and 3v4 (see below)

'Gold' medal Game: Winner of 1v2 and 3v4 (from SF)

'Bronze' medal Game:
Losers of 1v2 and 3v4 (from SF)


How's that, Wagner?

Last edited by MrJ at 1/13/2025 10:21:15 PM

Home-Grown or Go Home!
From: MrJ
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324689.249 in reply to 324689.248
Date: 1/14/2025 12:38:04 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Westopian Tigers

This is a message/reminder to all 14 teams confirmed to play in the upcoming HG League...

...could you please aim to have saved a minimum of 13 PickUp (PU) tokens for the start of Season 68 please.

If this can be achieved by all 14 teams, then the regular season PU games can be organised right from the beginning of the season (ALL 13 weeks worth!)

Thank you.

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From: Paul George

To: MrJ
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324689.250 in reply to 324689.249
Date: 1/14/2025 4:53:07 AM
Rajdersi
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Rajdersi II
Thank you all for effort.

I have some points left, can use for my every game.

Do we care about calendar- I mean playoffs will be in season 69?
Or maybe we should do everything in season 68?
Maybe no playoffs- just idea but not that clever

From: MrJ

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324689.251 in reply to 324689.250
Date: 1/14/2025 6:35:58 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Westopian Tigers
Thank you all for effort.

I have some points left, can use for my every game.

Do we care about calendar- I mean playoffs will be in season 69?
Or maybe we should do everything in season 68?
Maybe no playoffs- just idea but not that clever


Hi there, Paul George.

Yes, unfortunately there a few teams (Mine included) that won't be 100% HG until the start of Season 68; otherwise, we could have started earlier.


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From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 1/14/2025 11:40:18 AM
Wagner College
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Thank you all for effort.

I have some points left, can use for my every game.

Do we care about calendar- I mean playoffs will be in season 69?
Or maybe we should do everything in season 68?
Maybe no playoffs- just idea but not that clever :?


Hi there, Paul George.

Yes, unfortunately there a few teams (Mine included) that won't be 100% HG until the start of Season 68; otherwise, we could have started earlier.


Yes, starting to look very good. You could, if you want, add something along the lines of "in order of point differential in match(es) between these exact teams being compared, and if that's tied, then point differential of the whole regular season" at the end of your sentence "IF this is also tied, then point differential will be used." This is not critical addition by any means, but at least now I've added this suggestion. On the other hand, if you agree with it and add it, at least it's there then to enable possible discussion about it (should someone strongly disagree about that for instance).

@MrJ: I wonder if Paul George meant that if we start at the beginning of season 68 and play one match per week (13 matches regular season) and playoffs, there wouldn't be enough time to complete all this during season 68, and therefore suggested that maybe playoffs wouldn't be played? (I could've misinterpreted this completely though, but if so, please let me know Paul George).

If Paul George meant that we wouldn't have enough time to complete regular season and playoffs if we start simultaneously when Buzzerbeater season 68 (which is next season) starts, that has been thought out already.
As I wrote with MrJ he also confirmed that Buzzerbeater pre-season, season and after-season consists of 15 weeks total (anybody please let us know if we've done some miscalculations here!).
So therefore 1 regular season match per week would take 13 weeks, and there would be 2 weeks time to complete playoffs. Like mentioned, we would just need to play 2 playoff rounds per week to be able to finish the season within the BB season timeframe (15 weeks, right?).

Other option (if I calculated this right quickly and) should we want to play only 1 playoff match per week, would be to start a season with 2 weeks on which both 2 regular season matches would be played per team (so 4 matches per team would've taken place after 2 whole weeks), and that would leave us enough time to complete playoffs with the speed of 1 match per week (if bronze and gold medal match would be played within the same time frame with each other).

As for arranging PU games, unfortunately we can't do it more than 2 months ahead, so AFAIK we're forced to arrange only half of regular season games in one go, not whole seasons games at once (as regular season with 13 matches would last rather 3 than 2 months).

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Date: 1/14/2025 11:59:24 AM
NakamichiDragons
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BB time frame is 14 weeks (14 trainings from birthday to birthday ;-) )

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Date: 1/14/2025 2:53:45 PM
Rajdersi
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This is what I meant.
Or Maybe we could arrange two games in allstar week?

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324689.255 in reply to 324689.252
Date: 1/14/2025 2:53:46 PM
Rajdersi
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This is what I meant.
Or Maybe we could arrange two games in allstar week?

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324689.256 in reply to 324689.253
Date: 1/14/2025 9:58:58 PM
Swan River Serpents
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Westopian Tigers
BB time frame is 14 weeks (14 trainings from birthday to birthday ;-) )


That was my error.

14 is correct.

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From: MrJ

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Date: 1/14/2025 10:01:27 PM
Swan River Serpents
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Westopian Tigers
This is what I meant.
Or Maybe we could arrange two games in allstar week?


Sorry for the misunderstanding, Paul George.

And yes...2 games in the Allstar Week should help us get through the schedule in time...I think.

Weeks 1-12 - Round Robin (with 2 games in Allstar week)
Week 13 - Pre-Playoffs and Quarter Finals
Week 14 - Semis (Gold and Bronze Games)

?

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