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Yeah, that's true. Option 2 is too easy to abuse.

I like option 1 idea ...

I like your idea and I like your thinking
I have some comments.
There are some impacts to the game and specifically, the transfer market if we change the display of the potential.
Having a 'ball' system like the draft, on the transfer market, would probably kill the transfer market. There is reason why there is such a financial gap between a Superstar potential and MVP potential. and even greater gap between MVP and HoF'er. Changing this would cause financial disparity with bidding and have a major impact on transfer market.

So I like this thinking - but the impacts to the transfer market IMO are too big.

I like your underlying concept
a) The potential of a player when he is 18 does not determine whether or not he will reach that potential. and
b) a low potential player at 18 may actually go beyond that as he gets older.

I think point a) above is already covered in the game. Injuries, poor user training etc means that a HoF potential player may never reach that potential. So i think that scenario is covered.
However point b) is an interesting one. Perhaps there could be a mechanism that allows people to train beyond the players listed potential?

Maybe a combination of things - If we use real life scearnios, a good trainer/coach, good team mates, good game scenarios can make an 'average potential player' become more than that.
Soif we translated that into BB-game concepts, then it could be:
Trainer level, roster team-mates, and Experience

Trainer level - higher trainer level increases chances of going above potential.
Roster/team-mates - If your player players with other 'good players', then this can contribute to him going above his potential (not sure about this one, would need some tweaking)
Experience - The higher level of Experience that the player has, the greater chance of going above his potential.

Just throwing some other idea's out there.

I think you are making this too complicated. Simply keeping it like the draft would be perfectly fine. No need to change anything with the potentially possibility or how a player improves in certain leagues (Especially because in some nations it is much easier to get to and stay in a higher league). All i think needs to happen in order to make things more interesting is to hide the potential with the draft ball system until they are 20-21.

Even if players were to buy WRT for a day it would still require a bit of investment to get this information so it is not so bad. You could require that all staff is hired for a minimum of 3-5 weeks to help avoid this.

If this were used I think a system like this would work

Level 6 trainer is accurate within 1 ranking
Level 5 trainer is accurate within 2 rankings
Level 4 trainer is accurate within 3 rankings etc.


This unfortunately gives high division teams an even bigger advantage and I think it would take new teams even longer to compete at higher levels. Imagine your MVP player really being and allstar because you can only afford a level 3 player. It could some players to quit playing.


I have what I think is the best idea below but I know it will never happen.

I personally think that each individual stat should have a potential level attached to it (hidden) and the overall potential (unhidden) is some combination of those other potentials. It drives me nuts that every single player with amazing potential can be pretty much anything you want him to be. As good as Shaq was, no amount of training would ever have made him a 3 point threat.

I think that your example with shaq is kind of taken care of in the game with height playing into how a player develops. Its almost a waste of time getting a 7 footer to be a point guard like player. Now if height had any affect on the game engine then having 7 foot SG could be crazy but as it stands with how slow their guard skills go up making a 7ft SG is kind of a waste of time.

I've been reading all your answers and complementary ideas. I am so glad to see that some of you guys liked it. And there are some essential points IMO in what all of you have said.
1. Keep the implementation as simple as possible
2. Keep an "equal chance" for all managers
3. Implement an "evolution" of the potential
(i have bolded the main ideas below)

Point 1.
In few words : Ball system as in the draft. Simple and efficient. (simplier=easier to implement=better to suggest). This is the minimal addition to the current game. If this whole topic would ever be seriously considered by BBs, this point seems be the essential aspect.
How long should the ball system be kept? 1-2-3 seasons? Until 21yo is reached? That's the remaining question on this first point.
And for sure it will have an impact on the transfer market ... will it kill the TM ? I really don't know (i'm still not a pro in transfers ^^)

Point 2.
Homegrown "beasts" that reach a massive salary in low divisions are naturally (or rather financially) to be transfered if the team doesn't promote. I think that managers who want to take the risk of keeping their homegrown beasts while they don't promote are making a strategical mistake. And i agree with Wolph that it doesn't make sense to keep a 45k HOFer in a div.V team. But this game is about making mistakes and taking good decisions as a manager.
Growing a great player is a "pleasure" that should not be (IMO) restricted by the division levels. Keep him or sell him ? ... that's another (interesting) issue. And here is perhaps where I disagree with you Wolph but thats OK ;°).

Point 3.
The evolution of potential is the most difficult point in this topic. I almost think it is worth another topic ... still i'll keep writing down here x°).
First, we have the potential appearence (let's say we go for 21) when the ball system reveals the potential.

Potential fall.
The potential can be never reached --> injuries + bad training are covering this aspect as Coach Regan said.
I would add that the potential should be updated (downgraded) in those cases. I would say in 2 steps :
* At 27 (it is just an example could be 26 or 28 or ...) : When the training goes slower. GE can calculate the maximum level of the highest skill --> maximal salary --> maximal potential. For instance : a 27yo 17k Hall of Famer SG. Maybe he can reach 27k at 33yo (if still receiving training minutes). 27k salary that's an Allstar salary cap. When he gets 27, his HoF potential should be updated/downgraded to Allstar.
*At 33/34 (same thing) : When the training almost stops. First skill drops due to age. The salary has reached its maximal value --> here we have a salary cap --> the potential should be downgraded to this max salary value. (30k --> allstar, 25k --> star, etc etc.)
This updates could also be calculated every season and those calculations would go when the salaries are updated ...

Potential raise
I pretty much like the Experience idea that Coach Regan suggested.
I would develop it that way : Experience could have a "disabling" effect on the salary cap --> it would let the player go to a higher potential level. I like Wolph's example with the empty gym and it goes in the same way as I understand it : the experience goes higher only with regular games played and not scrimmages. That means that if a player gets more involved in regular games, his chances to get a higher potential grow up. (division level issue here ...)
Still, as i don't know how fast the Experience skill grows, i am unable to give any examples on the "disabling" effect on the salary cap... still here are some rush ideas :
X experience level --> let the player go up 1 potential level
X experience growth in a season --> + Y% on the salary cap (that is the disabling effect)
Should it be an every season update ? At 27 and 33 (as for the potential fall) ?

I think that's enoug

in reality, ur right, Kobe never gets be Kobe unless he is in the NBA, MJ never gets to be MJ unless he is int he NBA etc etc.

So in real life, this is positively true.

so i like ur idea where the is a 'floating potential' that may be influenced by the level which they play at.

But perhaps it should punish lower league trainers. I dont tihnk a potential should 'drop' as such, thats unfair.

instead maybe - all players, regardless of the division they are in can reach say, 80% of their potential. Then, the higher division they are in, the closer to 100% of their potential that can be reached.

it could be another factor which allows teams to push a player to be better. so yer. good one :)